SteelBird
Colonel
I believe Cambodia is not on the list...
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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I believe Cambodia is not on the list...
my point is that they could. they are operating MA60 and Y12 and Z9s.
their small fast jet fleet is mig21... one of those days they need to be replaced.
Dizasta1
Senior Member
If you mean that they're currently evaluating the J-10B as a viable option for Pakistan Air Force, then Yes!
Pakistan Air Force, which has limited resources available to them, needs to carefully evaluate which combat system would provide the maximum capability, within the limited funds it has available. So, for this reason, they have to come up with sound analysis and evaluation for the Pakistan Parliament, for it to be endorsed.
In February, 2006, the then President of Pakistan - Pervaiz Musharraf, was shown the J-10 manufacturing facility, as well as the combat aircraft. It did not mean that China was willing to sell the aircraft to Pakistan, nor did it mean that Pakistan was interested in buying it. What it did show, was the deep-rooted cooperation between the two countries and the strong alliance and friendship that China & Pakistan have.
In November, 2009, it was reported that there was a deal in the works, worth $1.4 billion for the procurement of 36 J-10As. This deal fell through, as the utterly corrupt, inept and useless PPP-Govt (lead by zardari), had all but bankrupt Pakistan. The economy is still reeling from the disaster left behind by these PPP parasites.This is why, there hasn't been any update as to whether Pakistan Air Force would revive the deal.
Pakistan Air Force - Air Chief Marshal: Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed, was quoted, “On other important projects with China, the Pakistani air chief also revealed that Pakistan is well advanced in negotiations with China on the possible acquisition of up to 40 J-10 fighters which are the most advanced fighter aircrafts so far produced by China. Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf was given a detailed briefing on the J-10 during his last visit to China.
“We are serious in our discussions and, as air chief, I look forward to getting this programme (of the J-10) to a stage where we can contract this. I am looking at two squadrons of aircraft, anywhere between 32 and 40 platforms,” said the Air chief.”
Anyone with even half a brain would tell ya that every country looks after its own interests first and then an ally. China or Pakistan are no exception. So what makes you think that either one of the two countries would assume anything about the other?
As a Pakistani, the approach toward our Chinese friends, is one of mutual respect and one of working together. Not that of who is better and whose not.
The answer to your post is in the first reply in my post.
I believe the expression is "Nit Picking". Able or willing, is the same and that is what I meant.
For Pakistan/Pakistanis, China is anything but in a passive position.
Perhaps you have not looked into Sino-Pak alliance's history. You may wanna brush on that, before assuming what Pakistan thinks of China.
Good enough?!!
Buddy, if you were Pakistan, in 1965 and 1971, then you would know that Pakistan has holds China as its ONLY Ally & Friend. So for you to assume or interpret that Pakistan is being fussy or is being a spoilt brat, then you have got to do some serious reading up on Sino-Pak alliance.
Damn right ..... China decides whom it sells to.
Oh and another thing ..... Pakistan and China are very close allies. Make no mistake about that!
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Lets start ripping up that list.
Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Laos, Cambodia, Burma ... hell if Dr Habibi of Indonesia
Bangladesh and Burma both use have mig 29.
Indonesia uses F16
Sri Lanka is a possibility but the also have been know to want migs
that leaves Cambodia and Laos
I'll let steelbird speak for Cambodia
Laos is maybe.
Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Laos, Cambodia, Burma ... hell if Dr Habibi of Indonesia
Bangladesh and Burma both use have mig 29.
Indonesia uses F16
Sri Lanka is a possibility but the also have been know to want migs
that leaves Cambodia and Laos
I'll let steelbird speak for Cambodia
Laos is maybe.
The JF-17 is basically an aircraft originally built to fulfill the needs of its particular client state - Pakistan.
Why? Because Pakistan's previous experience with US/Western arms and aircraft showed them that in times of dire emergency (war), the US (and quite often the West in general) was not above exploiting the situation to obtain various painful concessions from it.
There were various instances of non-delivery of paid-for systems, denial of access to certain weapon systems, and delays in the procurement of spares and maintenance.
There were also issues of price (always high for Western weapons systems), training (mostly abroad) and transfer of technology (almost non-existent).
Western weapons were often used as bargaining tools and instruments of persuasion and in negotiations with respect to Western geopolitical policy.
Furthermore there was the possibility of a Trojan horse being built into the equipment should it be used against US/Western clients or interests.
Those are the very real strings that come attached to using US/Western arms.
Normally a nation that mistrusts (or has difficulty) with US/Western weapons will turn to the Russians (previously the Soviets) in order to obtain weapons without those limitations or strings.
Pakistan was unable to do so due to the very close Indian-Russian military and political ties.
It was a situation where they had almost no-one else to turn to.
But fortunately for them their alliance and close relationship with China allowed them to procure various weapons systems that are capable and did not suffer from the problems of the other suppliers or that shortchanged Pakistan's sovereignty.
Not only did the JF-17 meet Pakistan's needs, but it conveniently allowed China (via CAC) to use its newly-modernizing aircraft industry to design a simple but capable and low-cost fighter that had the potential to be sold on the international market.
Now although some did point out that there is a glut in the low-cost/second-hand fighter market, there still is the trust issue with Western weapons that has been highlighted by the US's NSA spying scandal - if they spy and cheat on their NATO (Germany, France and Spain to name a few) and OAS allies (like Brazil and Mexico) why should we trust them or their weapon systems?
So if you're a nation like Turkey, wondering if you have to pull the trigger the next time the Israeli's feel itchy, you may be just a little worried about all those Western arms in your inventory.
That is what will improve the market for the JF-17.
Why? Because Pakistan's previous experience with US/Western arms and aircraft showed them that in times of dire emergency (war), the US (and quite often the West in general) was not above exploiting the situation to obtain various painful concessions from it.
There were various instances of non-delivery of paid-for systems, denial of access to certain weapon systems, and delays in the procurement of spares and maintenance.
There were also issues of price (always high for Western weapons systems), training (mostly abroad) and transfer of technology (almost non-existent).
Western weapons were often used as bargaining tools and instruments of persuasion and in negotiations with respect to Western geopolitical policy.
Furthermore there was the possibility of a Trojan horse being built into the equipment should it be used against US/Western clients or interests.
Those are the very real strings that come attached to using US/Western arms.
Normally a nation that mistrusts (or has difficulty) with US/Western weapons will turn to the Russians (previously the Soviets) in order to obtain weapons without those limitations or strings.
Pakistan was unable to do so due to the very close Indian-Russian military and political ties.
It was a situation where they had almost no-one else to turn to.
But fortunately for them their alliance and close relationship with China allowed them to procure various weapons systems that are capable and did not suffer from the problems of the other suppliers or that shortchanged Pakistan's sovereignty.
Not only did the JF-17 meet Pakistan's needs, but it conveniently allowed China (via CAC) to use its newly-modernizing aircraft industry to design a simple but capable and low-cost fighter that had the potential to be sold on the international market.
Now although some did point out that there is a glut in the low-cost/second-hand fighter market, there still is the trust issue with Western weapons that has been highlighted by the US's NSA spying scandal - if they spy and cheat on their NATO (Germany, France and Spain to name a few) and OAS allies (like Brazil and Mexico) why should we trust them or their weapon systems?
So if you're a nation like Turkey, wondering if you have to pull the trigger the next time the Israeli's feel itchy, you may be just a little worried about all those Western arms in your inventory.
That is what will improve the market for the JF-17.
Yes but potentially after they are fed up with Mig29s.
Indonesia also has a flanker fleet, and Dr Habibi is always interested in advancing his country's aviation sector.
there is also a production line for C802 for Indonesia I believe. not unprecedented.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
In the case of Bangladesh they are brand new IE delivered 2012. And the Burmese units are late models to.
But they are still not happy with it, Plus to continue make this twin engine Mig-29 in tip top combat condition is not cheap.
For countries with limited budget. To maintain a decent number of fighter in combat condition , JF-17 is the way to go.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
And after investing the millions into the buy, The honest chance that they will now turn around and buy a unproven fighter that uses the same engine to replace there brand new fighters is..... Low to null. Try again.
its very rare to step away from a program like that after the fact.
no the most likely buys for JF17 is Africa.
its very rare to step away from a program like that after the fact.
no the most likely buys for JF17 is Africa.
FC-1 is hardly called unproven(PAF has used it for years). And isn't it better to use an engine you are familiar with while having much lower maintenance cost? I feel your reasoning are getting more and more ridiculous.