JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[mr.bean]

Argentina would be probably interested in the YJ-83 as well. Their best hope of going up against RAF and RN is to take their assets out from long range. The YJ-83 would be immense trouble for the Type 45s since they are not equipped with a short range anti missile system. The four Eurofighters could be taken out before they take off. The export of the plane, assuming it's fitted with RD-93 engines, raises some questions. If China is able to export aircraft fitted with Russian engines, then that means that the J-11B and all the indigenous Flankers can be exported as well, especially when they have domestic engines.

they wouldn't export any Chinese flankers because even if they can make it 100% domestic it's still a Russian plane. its one thing making them to equip PLAAF/PLAN but to export them to a third country and take business away from Sukoi would be damaging to sino-russian relations. its simply not worth it to earn a few billion but to lose Russian cooperation in more important and critical matters. a couple of billions in export sales is nothing when china is already the largest trading nation in the world right now.

 

[SinoSoldier]

they wouldn't export any Chinese flankers because even if they can make it 100% domestic it's still a Russian plane. its one thing making them to equip PLAAF/PLAN but to export them to a third country and take business away from Sukoi would be damaging to sino-russian relations. its simply not worth it to earn a few billion but to lose Russian cooperation in more important and critical matters. a couple of billions in export sales is nothing when china is already the largest trading nation in the world right now.

Well, the avionics, FBW, engines, weapons, almost all of the technologies on board the domestic Flankers are Chinese, so that doesn't make the plane very Russian, even less so than the J-10.

 

[broadsword]

Supply Ecuador with JF-17 so they don't have to deport Snowden? good Idea!


Argentina has oil (potential) under Falklands, also Soybeans, Corn, Beef (Yum) and Ores.

also a bargaining chip with US in Pivot to Asia. although I doubt any S.American Government would seriously consider sticking up to the Empirium Yankeum.

I'm sure China will be importing more farm agricultural products from Argentina as China's living standard improves. Argentina is a beef country.

 

[i.e.]

So J-31 and even Sharp Sword is banking on the Mid Thrust Next Gen engine. Good to hear.



Thanks for your insight. And it just hit me that why have nobody in this forum (or cdf) try to look at WS-10A maturity rate using the time hour to engine maturity i.e. mentioned. (instead of arguing over WS-10 maturity by looking at how many J-11 with Taihang pictures we can find on the net...)

How many J-11A/B are running WS-10, how many hours per plane per annum starting from 2009?? Calculate the total accumulated engine hours done by WS-10 and we can have a rough estimate on WS-10 maturity stage/level and how many years more till WS-10 is expected to mature...

Has anybody done this yet?? If no, someone should really do it and let us know when is WS-10 expected to mature. Will be great fun

Because typically you have more than 1 set of engine per 1 airplane.

something like total 3 x engines for every engine on airframe. with engines rotating in and out of overhauls.

 

[mr.bean]

Well, the avionics, FBW, engines, weapons, almost all of the technologies on board the domestic Flankers are Chinese, so that doesn't make the plane very Russian, even less so than the J-10.

I agree. china can make them 100% Chinese even down to the screws and bolts but the thing still looks like a flanker because it was based on the Su-27/30's. so in order to not upset the Russians I think they will not sell any even if a buyer is interested. they are very happy to sell JF-17's or J-10's on the other hand.

 

[rolking]

Because typically you have more than 1 set of engine per 1 airplane.

something like total 3 x engines for every engine on airframe. with engines rotating in and out of overhauls.

If simply looking to calculate total time hour accumulated by entire WS-10 engine fleet (T),
wouldn't the total flight time of all J-11A/B fitted with WS-10 give us (T)??

And simply divide (T) by total num of J-11A/B gives average time hour of each WS-10 engine,
asssuming that each engine is used in equal time??

And based on this calculated average time hour accumalated per engine, estimate how much more time hour needed to mature??

I guess it's really not this simple... Again great fun and thanks for your input.

 

[no_name]

Apparently the idea is that a twin seated JF-17 will have the ability to control/direct UAVs.

Or so that is what russian media claims that Argentina is interested.

 

[asif iqbal]

What also makes the JF-17 a attractive deal is the operating cost is 1/3 of other aircrft like the F-16 C/D

It's costs around $25,000 to operate a F16 C/D per hour, it's around less than $10,000 per hour to operate the JF-17, this means that instead of a single F16 C/D you can scramble 2-3 JF-17 aircraft

You can clearly begin to see that operating a large fleet of JF-17 the air force can reduce a huge operating budget, Pakistan has a flying hours of in excess of 200 per year with some Sqaudrons clocking up more than 220 hours to 240 hours, the saving per Sqaudrons could be as high as $50 million to $75 million per year using the JF17 over the F16 C/D

This is why I guess PAF cut the order of of 77 F16 to just 18 inlight of the advantages the JF-17 offers, it's costs 2-3 times less and operating costs are also 2-3 times less with the gap in capability very small or non-existent, a very good proposition

Let's hope the WS13 has let's maintainence and less operating cost making JF-17 even more attractive

 

[no_name]

Said to be refuel probe for the JF-17:

 

[plawolf]

Said to be refuel probe for the JF-17:

If it is for the JF17, it looks like a retractable probe.