JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

timepass

Brigadier
I have a feeling that the first units of Block II will form the first naval Sqaudron of JF-17 which will have upgraded avionics which will allow for launching C-802 etc.


That’s very much on the cards, Asif.

Plus there are rumors that F-7PGs are going to be assigned soon to PN duties under the umbrella of PAF & will base in Pasni & Jiwani, as same being done with Mirage-V who are currently based on Masroor base near Karachi for PN duties.

Mirage-V were already successfully test fired Ra'ad cruise missile.

PN soon will be having a very effective air cover with the following:

JF-17 (1 Sq - 18 aircrafts)
Mirage V (3 Sq - 64 aircrafts)
F-7PGs (3SQ - 55 aircrafts)

Above Squadrons will have support from ZDK-03 also who are also based on Masroor base.
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Indeed that is the whole point, PAF Masroor is a massive air force base, home to the 32 Tactical Attack (TA) Wing, stationing a Sqaudron or two of C-802 equipped JF-17 would reek havoc on any navy trying to approach or blockade Pakistans shores

The Mirage Sqaudron there has trained and trained for decades with Exocets to hit ships out at sea, they are true defenders of the navy, they have trained to fly just feet above ocean

And yes it's the home of the ZDK-03 AWACS a good decision from the Pakistan, Erieye is North and ZDK-03 to the South, it wil l be able to direct Thunders from hundreds of kilometres away

Here's a google map image show ZDK-03 at PAF Masroor

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Li Keqiang hails Pakistan as China's 'iron brother'


BEIJING: Describing Pakistan as the "iron brother" of China, Premier Li Keqiang today hailed Islamabad's "positive contribution" towards maintaining peace and stability, combating terrorism and promoting development in South Asia.

Heading to Pakistan tomorrow after his successful visit to India, Li promised to announce a number of lucrative deals to firm up 'all-weather' ties between the two long-time allies.

Li termed Pakistan as an "iron brother" of China saying Beijing recognised the positive contribution Pakistan has made for peace and stability, combating terrorism and promoting development in South Asia, in an interview with Pakistani media ahead of his visit.

"The international community should give Pakistan full understanding, recognition and necessary support," official Associated Press of Pakistan news agency quoted him as saying.

"On behalf of the Chinese government, I wish to reiterate solemnly China's continued firm support to Pakistan in its efforts to uphold independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity and achieve national stability and development. This is what China-Pakistan comprehensive strategic partnership of cooperation is all about," he said.

During his two-day stay in Islamabad, Li will hold talks with PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif who is set to form the next government, besides President Asif Ali Zardari.

He will also meet leaders of Pakistan's parliament, political parties and armed forces, officials here said.

About all-weather ties between the two countries, Li said "China-Pakistan relationship is indeed special, because it transcends the changes of the times and politics and represents a fine example of friendly state-to-state interactions".

"I wish to take this opportunity to reiterate to the Pakistani people and the international community that the new Chinese government will continue to pursue a policy of friendship with Pakistan," he said apparently playing down the significance of China's interest in cultivating close ties with India, Pakistan's arch-rival.

Like during his India visit, he also recalled his visit to Pakistan as leader of a youth delegation 27 years ago where he had unforgettable memories.

"When it comes to Pakistan, the first word that comes to the mind of the Chinese is "iron brother". To us Chinese, Pakistan is always a trustworthy friend who is as solid as iron. Actually, Chinese netizens refer to Pakistan as "Iron Pak". This testifies to the strength of China-Pakistan friendship," he said.

He promised to address the trade imbalance with Pakistan. Pakistan's exports to China last year increased by nearly 50 per cent, he said.

"The political bond between China and Pakistan is unbreakable and our business ties as a whole have maintained growth momentum. Pakistan is the first South Asian country to sign a free trade agreement and currency swap agreement with China," he said.

China will step up consultations with Pakistan on second phase tax reduction negotiations under the framework of China-Pakistan Free Trade Area.

"Our two sides should focus on carrying out priority projects in connectivity, energy development and power generation and promoting the building of a China-Pakistan economic corridor," he said.

About China's policy towards South Asia, Li said it is important to boost the development of South Asia saying it is a vibrant and promising region and peace, stability and development are the common pursuit of countries in this region.

He said, China shares borders with five South Asian countries.

China's destiny is closely connected with that of South Asian countries in both good and hard times, Li said.

"We hope that countries in the region will live in friendship and cooperation and build South Asia into a land of unity, stability, happiness and harmony," he said.

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kwaigonegin

Colonel
And here is designation FC10140 which is SP 40 or 48th of the total (remember there were 8 Small batch production from China) namely 07-101 to 08-108

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Not to get too OT but how is Pakistan's aircraft building industry? I know many have questioned IAF's, especially with the Rafale deal where Dassault just refuses to put their name on aircraft made in India. Does China or any other country have reservation about made in Pakistan planes in terms of quality and production capabilities?
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
Not to get too OT but how is Pakistan's aircraft building industry? I know many have questioned IAF's, especially with the Rafale deal where Dassault just refuses to put their name on aircraft made in India. Does China or any other country have reservation about made in Pakistan planes in terms of quality and production capabilities?

PAC, AMF are both very professional and internationally recognised Aircraft Manufacturers (OEM). PAC (Pakistan Aeronautical Complex) is not only manufacturing MF-117 Super Mushaqs, JF-17 Thunders, but also overhauling C-130s, Mirage IIIs/Vs and manufacturing parts for Boeing Aircraft Corporation.

[video=vimeo;65576468]http://vimeo.com/65576468[/video]
 
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Rauf

New Member
Not enough life left in Mirage airframes to go thru hassle of new engine testing / upgrade. PAF be better off spending those resources $ else where.
 

Preux

Junior Member
Not to get too OT but how is Pakistan's aircraft building industry? I know many have questioned IAF's, especially with the Rafale deal where Dassault just refuses to put their name on aircraft made in India. Does China or any other country have reservation about made in Pakistan planes in terms of quality and production capabilities?

Pakistan's aeronautical industries got its start in the mid-70s - considerably later than the Indians and about the same time as the Koreans, but had gone a long way since then, it's really a model of dedication to industrial development - and that over different administrations, coups and embargoes.

Trace the development path, it's steady and methodical and picks up capabilities along the way instead of going for overreaching ambitious goals. Trainers - parts - co-design - production, repair - refurbishment/ overhaul - parts manufacturing, etc.

I'd actually rate the Pakistani aeronautical industry to be on the same tier as that of the Republic of Korea. It is not as broad as India's but rests on a much more solid foundation.

Of course, the basis of all industries is the economy and in that respect there is still work to be done.
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
do PAF consider upgrade mirage-3 ATAR jet engine with WS-13?

Pakistan Air Force has not and will not consider Mirage III/Vs engine replace with WS-13 Taishan. Since the JF-17 Thunders have been selected to replace the Mirage IIIs & Vs fleet. Even though the Mirages form a large part of Pakistan Air Force's combat fleet, they are long over due to be phased out. In the 90s and 00s, when we were put under Arms Embargo because we chose to respond to indian hegemony by conducting our own Nuclear Tests. Pakistan Air Force had embarked upon procuring used Mirages in relatively good condition, from countries like Australia, France, Lebenon and Libya. This process ensured that the 180 odd Mirages in Pakistan Air Force's fighter fleet, remained airworthy and combat ready, throughout nearly two decades.

Pakistan Air Force is 100% committed to the JF-17 Thunder program, where at least 250 will be built and inducted into its fighter-fleet. Combat aircraft like the A-5 Fantans, Mirage IIIs/Vs and F-7P Skybolts, will all be replaced by the JF-17 Thunders.

PAC (Pakistan Aeronautical Complex) which includes AMF (Aircraft Manufacturing Factory), APF (Avionics Production Factory) & etc.

[video=vimeo;65576469]http://vimeo.com/65576469[/video]
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
JF-17 in Turkey

The Turkish badge on the shoulder of the pilot followed by the insignia above the flag is suggesting that our Turkish friends are getting hands on experience with the JF-17, it's not a Eagle which is denoted to the Pakistan Air Force

If true its great to see a Turkish pilots having a go in the JF-17, I'm sure they were impressed a sign of our close historical friendship, it was Turkish technicians who helped integrate the American sidewinders on the Chinese F6 fighters in 1971 war, which helped make the F6 a much better fighter, that's friendship

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