JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
Nobody in the world has unlimited budget to buy those expensive toys.On this point the JF-17 is a good cost/effctive fighter to operate
which has the 4th gen capability while the price tag is pretty low.You can't expect to buy a BMW while the money in your pocket can
only afford an Indian Nano.
Nobody in the world has unlimited budget to buy those expensive toys.On this point the JF-17 is a good cost/effctive fighter to operate
which has the 4th gen capability while the price tag is pretty low.You can't expect to buy a BMW while the money in your pocket can
only afford an Indian Nano.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
I am hoping to see the Ra'ad air launched cruise missile from JF17, now that C802 has been sucessfully tested it should be next on the list
with the capability to launch air launched cruise missiles Pakistan joined the elite member of nations which have this capability
Ra'ad has a improved range of 700km and was tested fired from Dassault Mirage III ROSE in summer of 2007
videos of Ra'ad missiles which is also nuclear capable
I am hoping to see the Ra'ad air launched cruise missile from JF17, now that C802 has been sucessfully tested it should be next on the list
with the capability to launch air launched cruise missiles Pakistan joined the elite member of nations which have this capability
Ra'ad has a improved range of 700km and was tested fired from Dassault Mirage III ROSE in summer of 2007
videos of Ra'ad missiles which is also nuclear capable
Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
All this talk of 'nations only have interests, they have no friends' is to me just as ridiculous and simple-minded as the olden days talk of brotherhood amongst nations. Thing about nations is that they are not monoliths, and they just can't act with any degree of consistency, let alone enough consistency to be a hard-eyed realist all the time. At the end of the day, national actors can no more be perfectly 'rational' (and by that we mean sociopathic) as a person can. Arguably, quite a lot less.
The flip side of the coin is that nations are made up of people and people DO manifestly have emotions, likes and dislikes.
So, no, Pak-Chinese friendship isn't all just talk, they top each other's 'likes' list for a reason. Anything can happen in the future, but for now there is a good thing going, and frankly China needs all the friends it can get.
The Ra'ad weighs 50% more than the C-802 and is differently shaped too. Still, if the wing loading tests (200%!) was any indication, they may be thinking exactly that. Still, hardpoint'd need to be upgraded.
All this talk of 'nations only have interests, they have no friends' is to me just as ridiculous and simple-minded as the olden days talk of brotherhood amongst nations. Thing about nations is that they are not monoliths, and they just can't act with any degree of consistency, let alone enough consistency to be a hard-eyed realist all the time. At the end of the day, national actors can no more be perfectly 'rational' (and by that we mean sociopathic) as a person can. Arguably, quite a lot less.
The flip side of the coin is that nations are made up of people and people DO manifestly have emotions, likes and dislikes.
So, no, Pak-Chinese friendship isn't all just talk, they top each other's 'likes' list for a reason. Anything can happen in the future, but for now there is a good thing going, and frankly China needs all the friends it can get.
I am hoping to see the Ra'ad air launched cruise missile from JF17, now that C802 has been sucessfully tested it should be next on the list
with the capability to launch air launched cruise missiles Pakistan joined the elite member of nations which have this capability
Ra'ad has a improved range of 700km and was tested fired from Dassault Mirage III ROSE in summer of 2007
videos of Ra'ad missiles which is also nuclear capable
The Ra'ad weighs 50% more than the C-802 and is differently shaped too. Still, if the wing loading tests (200%!) was any indication, they may be thinking exactly that. Still, hardpoint'd need to be upgraded.
Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
Maybe it helps by telling that JF17 attachment idea is derived from Mirage 3/5. Not f16... If you take some detail pictures then you will understand my point. I am not fan of certain sites (e.q. ***********) that take your pic and put their stamp on it. I will release some pics later next year so it would be clear. So if Mirage can handle it I think we can be suspecting that this weapon was already adapted in both ways.
About using Ra'ad. It would be two on main wing stations and belly tank. No supersonic speed but surely with IFR. Probably dropped at high altitude. With the range you do not need to go much closer nor do you risk the plane being attacked near border.
Maybe it helps by telling that JF17 attachment idea is derived from Mirage 3/5. Not f16... If you take some detail pictures then you will understand my point. I am not fan of certain sites (e.q. ***********) that take your pic and put their stamp on it. I will release some pics later next year so it would be clear. So if Mirage can handle it I think we can be suspecting that this weapon was already adapted in both ways.
About using Ra'ad. It would be two on main wing stations and belly tank. No supersonic speed but surely with IFR. Probably dropped at high altitude. With the range you do not need to go much closer nor do you risk the plane being attacked near border.
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
theres is absolutely no reason why Ra'ad cant be equipped on JF-17, theres not even a argument against it, full stop
do u know how old those Mirages are? their airframes are not in good shape and can take Ra'ad with no sweat
i also believe JF17 can carry 3 x C802 missiles, 2 on the side 1 under the fuselage, with 7 hardpoints JF17 can lift 3300kg or even 3500kg, in future with composites and WS13 engines this figure can reach 5,000kg, anyone thinking otherwise is kiddin themselves
theres is absolutely no reason why Ra'ad cant be equipped on JF-17, theres not even a argument against it, full stop
do u know how old those Mirages are? their airframes are not in good shape and can take Ra'ad with no sweat
i also believe JF17 can carry 3 x C802 missiles, 2 on the side 1 under the fuselage, with 7 hardpoints JF17 can lift 3300kg or even 3500kg, in future with composites and WS13 engines this figure can reach 5,000kg, anyone thinking otherwise is kiddin themselves
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Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
700 km? When? Please quote me the source.
I've must've either forgotten it or missed the news completely.
700 km? When? Please quote me the source.
I've must've either forgotten it or missed the news completely.
Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
Not saying it can't, I said it hasn't been demonstrated yet. You do need to rate the hardpoints properly before you can integrate a new system, that's just the way it works. I further stated that there's been wing-loading tests which suggests that there are no structural issues. So I am not sure where you got the idea that I think it can't be done.
As an aside, I think the JF-17 would be better off carrying two. More speed and agility is better in this case than more missiles.
Not saying it can't, I said it hasn't been demonstrated yet. You do need to rate the hardpoints properly before you can integrate a new system, that's just the way it works. I further stated that there's been wing-loading tests which suggests that there are no structural issues. So I am not sure where you got the idea that I think it can't be done.
As an aside, I think the JF-17 would be better off carrying two. More speed and agility is better in this case than more missiles.
ANTIBODY
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Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17
max G > 8
max climb rate > 249m/s
takeoff distance 450m
landing distance 750m
max load >4000 [4600kg]
3store stations>1000kg
internal fuel 2300kg
max take off wt 12,700kg
empty wt 6450kg
basic range 1800km
extended range 3000km
endurance 3.5 hours
Ive been reading some aspects in my free time... sorry , cant add photos at the moment
LERX provides a sustained Lift during High AoA maneuvers which otherwise would result in stall
LERXs & Canards, both basicly both generate vortices and add lift ahead of the center of gravity , in the case of the LERX this is due to wing fuselage blending that starts at the apex of the LERX
The F-18 has a very low swept wing which gives excellent lift at low speeds and requires less pitch , AoA to achieve lift.The best wing for low speed is not highly swept, but moderate/low swept...most combat is in that mach region e.g f-18
Slats/Leading edge Flaps increase the coefficient of lift-increase the maximum AOA during low speed
The tailplane serves three purposes: equilibrium, stability and control.
F-16 / f14 use ventral fins to improve lateral stability
JF-17 is actually not a pre-dated design as some like to project it
max G > 8
max climb rate > 249m/s
takeoff distance 450m
landing distance 750m
max load >4000 [4600kg]
3store stations>1000kg
internal fuel 2300kg
max take off wt 12,700kg
empty wt 6450kg
basic range 1800km
extended range 3000km
endurance 3.5 hours
Ive been reading some aspects in my free time... sorry , cant add photos at the moment
LERX provides a sustained Lift during High AoA maneuvers which otherwise would result in stall
LERXs & Canards, both basicly both generate vortices and add lift ahead of the center of gravity , in the case of the LERX this is due to wing fuselage blending that starts at the apex of the LERX
The F-18 has a very low swept wing which gives excellent lift at low speeds and requires less pitch , AoA to achieve lift.The best wing for low speed is not highly swept, but moderate/low swept...most combat is in that mach region e.g f-18
Slats/Leading edge Flaps increase the coefficient of lift-increase the maximum AOA during low speed
The tailplane serves three purposes: equilibrium, stability and control.
F-16 / f14 use ventral fins to improve lateral stability
JF-17 is actually not a pre-dated design as some like to project it