JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

antiterror13

Brigadier
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Hi Asif,

Do you think Pakistan is risking too much to put everything at Kamra. I mean, if India manage to destroy it, Pakistan would lose everything.

I think Pakistan put way too many eggs in one basket
 

Lion

Senior Member
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Hi Asif,

Do you think Pakistan is risking too much to put everything at Kamra. I mean, if India manage to destroy it, Pakistan would lose everything.

I think Pakistan put way too many eggs in one basket


I think India need to suffer a big loss to bring down karma.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread


I think he meant to say India will suffer significant losses on any strike against Kamra but I could be totally wrong. Also any offensive strike against Kamra will be done by mainly by cruise or ballistic missiles and not necessarily manned aircraft so losses may not be significant unless there's a major retaliatory strike by PAF but we're veering off course here gentlemen.

We need to stay on topic before this become a heated political discussion.
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

but for Link16 this is suprising, as far as I know Pakistan seperated the F16s and JF17, split half and half, the packages were Erieye, F16s and buying KC-130 tankers from US and ZDK-03, JF17 and IL-78 Midas

Just a correction there brother, KC-130 tankers are not compatible to F-16 Fighting Falcons. The F-16s require the 'Boom-Receptacle' IFR-Type, where as the KC-130 employ 'Probe-Drogue' IFR-Type. Hence the correct IFR-type aircraft for refueling the F-16s would be KC-135 Stratotanker, KC-10 Extender, A330 MRTT and KC-767s.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Thanks Plawolf!

so its most likely confirmed that there is no ASEA for Block II, this is not suprising as Kamra has just set up production of the KJL7 radar, they assemble them now there too, this was after a Western radar was evaluated and it was decided that KJL-7 is more than capable than its Western counterparts

so this leaves Mid-air refueling and datalink upgrades for Block II with WS13 also out of the equation

but for Link16 this is suprising, as far as I know Pakistan seperated the F16s and JF17, split half and half, the packages were Erieye, F16s and buying KC-130 tankers from US and ZDK-03, JF17 and IL-78 Midas

it does make sense to have communication between F16 and JF17 pilots but i thought this was solved using ground based system and not a direct link between the two

and I think the reason why Block I did not have datalink is because it was rushed into service ASAP and not to do with China working around Link16, because Pakistan got 30 refueling pods from South Africa in 2009 to equip Mirage III Rose I and the IL-78 started arriving in 2010 and the first PAC built sqaudron didnt go operational until first half of 2010, so technically speaking we could have had refueling for JF17 on the Block I, but then question is were PAF pilots trained?? I think yes because they trained refueling with USAF, but then if now indeed this new is true about JF17 and F16 communication you maybe right

it has been a long standing issue over how JF17 pilots would communicate with F16 pilots, in time of war you cant always rely on a ground station to relay the information so a direct link is important, this could be where Block II aircraft become very versatile and has thrown in a suprise there for us, however it remains to be seen wether this is just fighter to fighter communication or fighter to AWACS, like for example F16 with ZDK-03?? which is a bit of a push and i think unlikely

the final part where it says thet 36 have been built is probably correct, because AFM showed a picture of SP-29 in May issue even although the JF17 at Dubai airshow was 33!!!

this means Kamra will have built all 50 JF17 in 2012, we around a dozen JF17 still to make at Kamra for the remaining of the year which is very doable

Actually, the Block II may incorporate the AESA in the future, depending on the success of the KLJ-7 (which, although may be sufficient now, will not be able to hold of all threats presented to the PAF). Kanwa is also pretty sketchy when compared to other sources (such as Eagle Hannan, the Pakistani engineer who works in Nanjing). I've heard that a thrust vectoring engine is in the works as well. The Block II is essentially a Block 1 with refinements. The thing I'm curious about is whether a potential PLAAF Block II will be the same as the one Pakistan uses.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Just a correction there brother, KC-130 tankers are not compatible to F-16 Fighting Falcons. The F-16s require the 'Boom-Receptacle' IFR-Type, where as the KC-130 employ 'Probe-Drogue' IFR-Type. Hence the correct IFR-type aircraft for refueling the F-16s would be KC-135 Stratotanker, KC-10 Extender, A330 MRTT and KC-767s.

Thanks for the correction bro, I meant KC-135 and not KC-130!
 

A.Man

Major
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

JF-17 With Pod

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