JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Honestly surely not. Pakistan can never, never afford to develop or upscale it tp a fighter in the size of a J-10. To enlarge the wing a bit maybw, to widen the intake for a new engine, maybe. But to enlarge it would mean to use a new engine, to redesugn nearly everything and that is surely well beyond Pakistan's budget.
Honestly i don' understand why so often an uprated version is meant to be a "larger" one??
As such IMO never.
i honestly don't know what is up with this idea of upsizing JF-17 to J-10. You already have J-10 which is a successful design and fully paid for and continue to receive funding from China for incremental improvement. It was optimized for this size right from the start. Why would you want to upsize JF-17 to this when it costs a lot of money and with uncertainty that it would be as good as the latest J-10. Outside of saying that this is PAF project, I don't see any other reason. Remember, China will definitely not order an upsized JF-17 or promote it for export, since it already has J-10.
Here's a chart showing a J-10 and JF-17 side by side for comparison. I don't know how old it is.
Just realized that J-10 is really long for a medium-fighter.
MastanKhan
Junior Member
@tphuang
It is because of bad blood between pakistan air force and pakistani army. Gen Musharraf forced the J10 on Paf by signing the contract for 36 J10's during his tenure.
But worst thing he did was cancel the contract of 4 saab awacs and bought 4 chinese awacs---. Paf was pis-sed off at Gen
Musharraf for years to come---for that action.
So---it is to spite the army---that the Paf has not chosen the J10 after all the offers by china and the threats at home.
Technically and strategically---there was no need for the Paf to continue with the JF17 program after china signed the deal with Gen Musharraf for the J10's.
J10 was china's baby---it would invest as much as possible to make this aircraft a success---regardless of hurdles---and Paf could have tagged along---.
Secondly---the J10 is a tier above the JF17---for that reason---Paf would have the minimal base set at the J10's----means starting from a higher position.
Then to top that off---when the French refused to sell the EW suite at the last minute---its tiered capability further fell down---and had to be build up again---.
It is an excellent aircraft in its own merit---size---capability and price range and it does fill a need---but the J10 would have been a better choice.
The Paf was thinking of selling the aircraft---to make money---for many a things.
If the current aircraft starts to sell---there will not be a problem for funds to upgrade it to a 20-25% larger aircraft---and neither would there be any problem with the engine as well.
If the current aircraft can get an engine after all the bruhaha---then the next tier would not have any problems either.
It is because of bad blood between pakistan air force and pakistani army. Gen Musharraf forced the J10 on Paf by signing the contract for 36 J10's during his tenure.
But worst thing he did was cancel the contract of 4 saab awacs and bought 4 chinese awacs---. Paf was pis-sed off at Gen
Musharraf for years to come---for that action.
So---it is to spite the army---that the Paf has not chosen the J10 after all the offers by china and the threats at home.
Technically and strategically---there was no need for the Paf to continue with the JF17 program after china signed the deal with Gen Musharraf for the J10's.
J10 was china's baby---it would invest as much as possible to make this aircraft a success---regardless of hurdles---and Paf could have tagged along---.
Secondly---the J10 is a tier above the JF17---for that reason---Paf would have the minimal base set at the J10's----means starting from a higher position.
Then to top that off---when the French refused to sell the EW suite at the last minute---its tiered capability further fell down---and had to be build up again---.
It is an excellent aircraft in its own merit---size---capability and price range and it does fill a need---but the J10 would have been a better choice.
The Paf was thinking of selling the aircraft---to make money---for many a things.
If the current aircraft starts to sell---there will not be a problem for funds to upgrade it to a 20-25% larger aircraft---and neither would there be any problem with the engine as well.
If the current aircraft can get an engine after all the bruhaha---then the next tier would not have any problems either.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Are we to believe bad blood between Pakistani Army and Air Force high commands lead to the latter choosing a less-capable fighter design, which isn't in the country's best interests? I find that very hard to believe. If true, however, then Pakistan has bigger problems on its hands than the JF-17 being less capable than the J-10.
Lol, again spot on. I think today you are having a different day. Again for liking your post i have to open SDF in firefox
, don't know when mods will fix this problem.Any how you pinned it right. He is making claims that are totally irrational. He talks of needs of an air force like cars whose models change every year and one can replace them every year with new ones.
Its like...... Lets sign an MOU for developing JF17, after some years, ohhhh, we now have J10, lets dump JF17 and go for J10, then ohhhhh.... we dont like J10, let dump it..... lets go for F16....
It seems entirely illogical for CAC to develop a larger JF-17 to compete against their own aircraft. It doesn't matter what PAF wants. Unless they really think PAC is capable of developing a J-10 sized aircraft and an engine for it, they will have to rely on CAC. WS-13E is not powerful enough to support a J-10 sized aircraft. So they would have to change engines or use 2 WS-13E, which would be akin to developing a new aircraft. it's not in China's interest or CAC's interest to divest engineering resource to develop a J-10 competitor when they have so many other projects on the line.
None of this seems possible.
If they really don't like J-10 and need something larger than JF-17, they can try to pull some strings with AVIC1 and maybe they can play a larger role in developing J-31, since that's at least a newer generation and using the same engine as JF-17.