JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[MastanKhan]

Didn't Egypt just signed on to buy the Rafale? Why would they want to get the JF-17 if they are going to have the Rafale's soon?

Hi,

Rafales are only going to be around 24 with option of 12 more. The 200 + egyptian F16's are supposedly not bvr capable. So that leave the M2K's---so there is a huge gap that needs to be filled up.

Almost like around 200 aircraft between the mirage 5---J7 and the mig21's---need to be replaced.

They are also looking at the SU35 I believe. But then the Rafale and the SU35 will be top tier aircraft---.

Egypt air force is very very light on bvr capability----most likely zilch----with 3 Rafales in inventory---and I donot know that capability of the M2k's..

 

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An interesting piece of news from Sri Lanka regarding JF-17 deal (thnx to Gibbs of PDF to bring it in notice)

Excerpt from the news article:

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By Gagani Weerakoon

Sri Lankan Government is facing mounting pressure from its powerful neighbour India over a defence deal Sri Lanka is to enter into with Pakistan. According to highly placed sources in the diplomatic circles, India has expressed its strong opposition to a deal the SL Government entered into with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to purchase 10 JF-17 combat aircraft.

The deal was entered into apparently when former Air Force Commander Jayalath Weerakkody was serving as the Sri Lankan High Commissioner in Pakistan.

According to sources, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval had personally expressed India's concerns on the deal to President Maithripala Sirisena and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe. Doval who telephoned both President Sirisena and Prime Minister Wickremesinghe had told them outright that New Delhi is against the deal.

He warned that Sri Lanka will have to face serious repercussions if Sri Lanka was to seal the deal with Pakistan.

Sri Lanka on the other hand had offered to purchase three naval ships from India. This, however, was not favoured by India and New Delhi was firm on its stance.

To give in, Sri Lankan Defence Ministry had asked for 10 JF-17 aircraft or a similar craft. India came up with a counter deal where it offered a credit line to SL Government to purchase combat aircraft. The condition is that the government could buy the aircraft from any country other than Pakistan. (comment: India has also offered their Tejas jet to SL)

Pakistan, as things developed, renewed their offer by stating they would give 10 F-7 combat craft free, if we are going for an outright purchase. Pakistan also plans to announce the deal during Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Shariff's imminent visit to Colombo in January 2016.

However, India - Pakistan relationship will reach a breaking point with Sri Lanka's final decision on the aircraft deal.

 

[plawolf]

What nonsense is this? Who does India think it is telling a sovereign country what it can and cannot buy?

If I was in charge of Sri Lanka, I would buy the JF17 even if I wasn't originally going to just to make a point to India that it cannot do that, and that if India did not seriously "clarify" its remarks about "serious repercussions", Sri Lanka may want to ask the Chinese to build a naval base on the island to safeguard its sovereignty and security.

If the Indians want to influence Sri Lankan internal policy, they need to learn to do it the right way, by asking nicely and present a better offer rather through threats and attempted intimidation.

 

[SinoSoldier]

What nonsense is this? Who does India think it is telling a sovereign country what it can and cannot buy?

If I was in charge of Sri Lanka, I would buy the JF17 even if I wasn't originally going to just to make a point to India that it cannot do that, and that if India did not seriously "clarify" its remarks about "serious repercussions", Sri Lanka may want to ask the Chinese to build a naval base on the island to safeguard its sovereignty and security.

If the Indians want to influence Sri Lankan internal policy, they need to learn to do it the right way, by asking nicely and present a better offer rather through threats and attempted intimidation.

But hey, the same tactic worked for NATO when it was dealing with Turkish interest in Chinese SAMs.

 

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If I was in charge of Sri Lanka, I would buy the JF17 even if I wasn't originally going to just to make a point to India that it cannot do that, and that if India did not seriously "clarify" its remarks about "serious repercussions", Sri Lanka may want to ask the Chinese to build a naval base on the island to safeguard its sovereignty and security.

serious repercussions mean the reactivation of LTTE & separatist elements of SL with the Indian support same as the previous Indian attempt, last time China & Pakistan helped them with material, training & on ground military advisers from Pakistan additionally as per some reports of SL & Indian media (which off course Pakistan denied) PAF personal participated actively in the final stage of the conflict .... so in this scenario building a military or a naval base will not help Sri Lanka in fact this will weaken the political position of SL government, let see what happen this with this JF-17 deal.

 

[mr.bean]

Hi,

Rafales are only going to be around 24 with option of 12 more. The 200 + egyptian F16's are supposedly not bvr capable. So that leave the M2K's---so there is a huge gap that needs to be filled up.

Almost like around 200 aircraft between the mirage 5---J7 and the mig21's---need to be replaced.

They are also looking at the SU35 I believe. But then the Rafale and the SU35 will be top tier aircraft---.

Egypt air force is very very light on bvr capability----most likely zilch----with 3 Rafales in inventory---and I donot know that capability of the M2k's..

thanks for the explanation MastanKhan. i didn't know Egypt's F-16's are not BVR capable. now it makes perfect sense and the JF-17 seems like a great fighter for Egypt and since they need up to 200, they should go for the full package with a complete production line. they must like what they saw at PAC and want one for themselves.

 

[mr.bean]

An interesting piece of news from Sri Lanka regarding JF-17 deal (thnx to Gibbs of PDF to bring it in notice)

Excerpt from the news article:

After reading the above news regarding India's pressure to SL, I really hope this deal can go through! I hope China can sweeten the deal like purchase 10 planes and ''lease'' another 5 for ''special discount'' price. heck the transaction is not alot of money but it's a political message to the rest of South Asia who may one day have interest in JF-17. 10 Jf-17 does cannot threaten India in any imaginable way but India wants to prevent other South Asian countries of buying the JF-17 and becoming too close to Pakistan & China.

 

[plawolf]

serious repercussions mean the reactivation of LTTE & separatist elements of SL with the Indian support same as the previous Indian attempt, last time China & Pakistan helped them with material, training & on ground military advisers from Pakistan additionally as per some reports of SL & Indian media (which off course Pakistan denied) PAF personal participated actively in the final stage of the conflict .... so in this scenario building a military or a naval base will not help Sri Lanka in fact this will weaken the political position of SL government, let see what happen this with this JF-17 deal.

Unlikely to be an option any more. The Separatists were thoroughly crushed and rooted out after the end of the civil war. Sri Lanka also enjoys the geographical advantage of being an island nation separate from the Asian continent, making smuggling far more difficult.

India is way out of line here, and they will be the ones left looking silly if they try to press the issue.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Supposing India's blackmail is real, I wouldn't be surprised if Beijing spices up the deal under the table with some CX-1/CM-400AKG or some other sort of controversial weapon in response.

 

[plawolf]

Supposing India's blackmail is real, I wouldn't be surprised if Beijing spices up the deal under the table with some CX-1/CM-400AKG or some other sort of controversial weapon in response.

If the Indian threat is real, Chinese UCAVs would probably be more enticing for Sri Lanka. Those things would be perfect for surveillance and COIN operations.