JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Looks like basic gravity bombs and not PGMs.

Even back during the first Gulf War, targeting computers were able to deliver free-fall bombs with very good accuracy.

PGMs are great and all, but for some targets, if you have a very good targeting computer and minimal enemy AA threat, free falls can easily do the same job as PGMs but for a fraction of the cost.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Noticed that too and the 1st 90 degrees in about 3 seconds. That is about 30 degrees per second.

Anyone knows how many degrees or seconds are needed for instantaneous turn rate calculations? Do you calculate is over 45, 30, 90 degrees, etc?

I could be wrong, but I don't think you can calculate instantaneous turn rates like that.

By its very definition, instantaneous turn rates cannot be sustained. That means as you pull hard into an instantaneous turn, you start to loose energy and airspeed faster than your engine could replace it and you start to loose airspeed and control, which in turn will adversely affect your turn rates.

The max instantaneous turn rate, as advertised in brochures, is thus a peek, unsustainable figure. In a real world situation, you would not be able to hold that for much time, and as you approach that maximum peak rate, your turn rate will start decreasing.

So just picking numbers out of the air to illustrated, in the first second of that turn, the JF17 may well achieve its maximum instantaneous turn rate of 33 d/s, but half a second after that, its turn rate will drop to 32 d/s, half a second after that 30 d/s, then 25 d/s and so on until it drops back to its sustained turn rate.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Noticed that too and the 1st 90 degrees in about 3 seconds. That is about 30 degrees per second.

Anyone knows how many degrees or seconds are needed for instantaneous turn rate calculations? Do you calculate is over 45, 30, 90 degrees, etc?
Reminds me of this J-20 video. The J-20 did a 180 degree turn in about 4 seconds.

The J-20 starts to pull at the video time of 0:15 secs.
 

Chaminuka

Junior Member
So just picking numbers out of the air to illustrated, in the first second of that turn, the JF17 may well achieve its maximum instantaneous turn rate of 33 d/s, but half a second after that, its turn rate will drop to 32 d/s, half a second after that 30 d/s, then 25 d/s and so on until it drops back to its sustained turn rate.
Thanks for you reply. I agree with you thinking.
In you statement above, you say "picking numbers out of the air", then went on to say, "its maximum instantaneous turn rate of 33 d/s". That suggest 33 d/s as a true/factual value. Is that correct?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Thanks for you reply. I agree with you thinking.
In you statement above, you say "picking numbers out of the air", then went on to say, "its maximum instantaneous turn rate of 33 d/s". That suggest 33 d/s as a true/factual value. Is that correct?

Apologies if I wasn't clear, all the degrees per second figures were just figures I plucked out of the air to illustrate my point rather than being actual true figures for the plane itself.
 

alexfrom1

Just Hatched
Registered Member
Reminds me of this J-20 video. The J-20 did a 180 degree turn in about 4 seconds.

The J-20 starts to pull at the video time of 0:15 secs.
that's not a 180 degree turn during that 4 seconds, it was just because it flew over his head
Reminds me of this J-20 video. The J-20 did a 180 degree turn in about 4 seconds.

The J-20 starts to pull at the video time of 0:15 secs.
that's not a 4 seconds 180 degree turn, the j-20 simply flew over the shooter's head and his camera moved almost 180 to catch the jet, and j-20 itself was still doing a wide turn
 
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