JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[khanasifm]

Just how exactly is the workload for the JF-17 Thunder being split between China and Pakistan ? What part of the plane is still made in China and what part of the plane is now made in Pakistan ?

58% structure and 70-80 % avionics PAC rest China

Front Fuselage including cockpit, Wings, Tail etc PAC, Center and rear fuselage is manufactured in China and shipped to PAC along with the engine.

There is work share diagram in PAC shown to visitors part of the tour, referenced in latest PAF history book (AFM)

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[Verum]

Core avionics are probably all supplied by China. Pakistan has doesn't have a big industrial complex, which is needed to make those avionics. Avionics are actually the hardest to make out of all the airplane parts.

On a side note, who is the intellectual property owner of this plane now? I know on paper it's 50/50, but Chengdu did 99% of the work and then helped Pakistan to build an industry to manufacture parts for the JF17. Maybe even the funds provided by Pakistan in the early days were financial aids from China.

So now the problem arise. Say now the plane gets exported to another country, does Pakistan get a cut of the profit as an equal partner, or only makes a small profit for the parts it supplies to make the plane?

 

[thunderchief]

So now the problem arise. Say now the plane gets exported to another country, does Pakistan get a cut of the profit as an equal partner, or only makes a small profit for the parts it supplies to make the plane?

Theoretically, they could pay for parts like they do with their own planes, and then resell with profit to another country . Of course, they would need approval from China and Russia and service agreement for maintenance of parts they could not repair or replace themselves.

 

[Zahid]

Core avionics are probably all supplied by China. Pakistan has doesn't have a big industrial complex, which is needed to make those avionics. Avionics are actually the hardest to make out of all the airplane parts.

On a side note, who is the intellectual property owner of this plane now? I know on paper it's 50/50, but Chengdu did 99% of the work and then helped Pakistan to build an industry to manufacture parts for the JF17. Maybe even the funds provided by Pakistan in the early days were financial aids from China.

So now the problem arise. Say now the plane gets exported to another country, does Pakistan get a cut of the profit as an equal partner, or only makes a small profit for the parts it supplies to make the plane?

These concerns have been addressed repeatedly in threads pertaining to JF-17 / FC-1.

 

[StopSquarkS]

Is it practicable for Pakistan to sell their used block I JF-17s at <$20 million and buy more block II themselves?

 

[thunderchief]

Is it practicable for Pakistan to sell their used block I JF-17s at <$20 million and buy more block II themselves?

Don't think so . Used Block 1 JF-17 could fetch something like $10 million but Pakistan has lot of older obsolete planes like J-7 and Mirage III/V they want to replace with JF-17.

 

[MastanKhan]

Is it practicable for Pakistan to sell their used block I JF-17s at <$20 million and buy more block II themselves?

Sir,

Fighter aircraft are not like cars---that you would want to change them when the next model comes in---BLK 1 is a very capable aircraft----it is more advanced than anything else that the paf has other than the F 16.

You don't sell you 2 and 3 years od aircraft---you upgrade them in due time.

 

[Miragedriver]

An excerpt from an older article in the Glodalsecurity

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"Saudi Arabia was reportedly considering purchasing the JF-17 Thunder fighter jet that was jointly produced by China and Pakistan. According to a January 2014 report in World Tribune, the Saudi Arabian Defence Ministry and Royal Saudi Air Force were reviewing the JF-17 program and considering becoming a partner in it. Pakistan had offered the JF-17 fighter to Saudi Arabia with technology transfer and co-production. The offer was apparently occurred when Saudi Arabian Deputy Defence Minister Prince Salman Bin Sultan visited Pakistan in January 2014, as he reportedly toured the JF-17 program while in the country."


I will now get back to bottling my Malbec

 

[thunderchief]

Saudi Arabia - IMHO, not very likely for now . They prefer Western equipment and have poor relations with Russia, doubt they would want RD-93 in their planes .

 

[Deino]

Saudi Arabia - IMHO, not very likely for now . They prefer Western equipment and have poor relations with Russia, doubt they would want RD-93 in their planes .

YES, IMO only an attempt to rise the political pressure to gain a better option ...

By the way it seems as if Nigeria could be first customer for Block II JF-17.

IDEAS 2014: Nigeria 'close to signing up' for JF-17

The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is close to finalising an order for the purchase of one or two squadrons of the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft co-produced by Pakistan and China, a senior Pakistani Ministry of Defence official told IHS Jane's on 2 December.

Speaking at the International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) 2014 in Karachi, the official said the NAF finalised its recommendation for the purchase of 25-40 JF-17s after NAF chief air marshal Adesola Nunayon Amosu visited Pakistan in October. AM Amosu's engagements in Pakistan included a visit to the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) at Kamra, north of Islamabad, where the JF-17 is manufactured.

So far, the PAC has produced 50 Block 1 JF-17s and began work on another 50 Block 2 variants in late 2013. Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officials have told IHS Jane's that a Block 3 variant is being planned. While the JF-17 has PAF capability plans, it has so far failed to find an export customer.

PAF officials have described the JF-17 Block 3 as a fourth-generation-plus fighter, a term that is used to describe Western aircraft such as Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 60s, the Saab Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Dassault Rafale, among others.

Western officials have previously said that a first successful export of the JF-17 holds the key for the programme's long-term sustainment. Potential export customers mentioned as likely candidates for the JF-17 have included Egypt, Nigeria, Myanmar, and Venezuela.

Senior PAF officials have promoted the JF-17 as costing much less than comparable fighters produced by Western manufacturers. However, prospective customers are likely to consider established manufacturers ahead of PAC, which is a relative newcomer to the international market.

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