JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Lion]

Any news of WS-13? It was reported WS-13 already install and start tested on FC-1 but why is it China is not fore coming in disclosing more news and even pictures of the aircraft with the tested engine.

If they expect this to be a export sucess and make more money. They need to be more transparent about all the progress and info of FC-1. They cannot keep everything in wrap and expect potential customer to have faith on this product when so little news of it is know.

They need to generate a positive view on the public to have a favourable opinion in convincing getting more export.

It is an export item, it cannot be so secrecy and stingy in publicise this product. A dedicated website open to public need to setup and update it progress every 2 weeks or something that public can keep track of its progress or problem encounter.

No wonder until now, it has not secure any foreign deals. China need to re educate its marketing method. It cannot continue do things this way.

 

[Asymptote]

RD-93 and even WS-13 is not exactly top of the line engine, when compare it with EJ-2000 and M-88 engine.
unless WS-13 can bring her T:W ratio to 9.0 plus

Well, let's compare it :

Guizhou WS-13
Maximum thrust: 51.2 kN (11,500 lbf) dry; 86.37 kN (19,420 lbf) with afterburner
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.8
# WS-13 - 86 kN (19,000 lbf) thrust with afterburner.
# WS-13A (upgraded) - 100 kN (22,000 lbf) thrust with afterburner


Snecma M88
Maximum thrust: 50 kN (11,250 lbf) dry, 75 kN (16,900 lbf) wet (afterburning)
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 5.7:1 (dry), 8.5:1 (wet/afterburning)


Eurojet EJ200
Maximum thrust: 13,500 lbf (60 kN) dry thrust / 20,000 lbf (89 kN) with reheat
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 9.175:1

To be honest, the WS-13 isn't as bad as you make it out to be, it has almost the same performance profile as the M88 or EJ200 in thrust, a little bit better than M88, a little bit worse than EJ2000; while the thrust-to-weight ratio is a little bit lower (by a factor of 1) might be a factor to performance, but not a hell of a lot, plus you can always opt for less payload to get the performance you want (less weight, more thrust, longer range). So I don't see it as much of an issue.


On the other hand, what's the possibility of refitting the JF-17 with WS-10?? Is it entirely impossible?? I am certain for it to be possible, a complete airframe redesign is needed. (Plus FC-20/J-10 is going to be deliver to Pakistan very soon anyway)

Shenyang WS-10
Maximum thrust: 132 kN (30,000 lbf) with afterburner
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.5

 

[Lion]

On the other hand, what's the possibility of refitting the JF-17 with WS-10?? Is it entirely impossible?? I am certain for it to be possible, a complete airframe redesign is needed. (Plus FC-20/J-10 is going to be deliver to Pakistan very soon anyway)

Shenyang WS-10
Maximum thrust: 132 kN (30,000 lbf) with afterburner
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.5

Why bother redesign the JF-17 airframe to fit WS-10 when you can straight away get tailor to use J-10B airframe???

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Why bother redesign the JF-17 airframe to fit WS-10 when you can straight away get tailor to use J-10B airframe???

Yeah its much better to just get the J10B

 

[mkhan]

Price might be one reason. JF-17 is supposed to be a cheap capable enough fighter. J-10 is not designed for the same market.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Price might be one reason. JF-17 is supposed to be a cheap capable enough fighter. J-10 is not designed for the same market.

Add all the goodies of a J10 in a JF 17 and it will cost more.

 

[AssassinsMace]

I don't know but looks PSed.

 

[Centrist]

I don't know but looks PSed.

Obvious fake

 

[delft]

I don't know but looks PSed.

What's different, except the tip of the vertical tail plane? Might it be a version with additional electronics and antennae?

 

[challenge]

P.S., AIM-9 is a given away, obviously the fanboy has no idea that the missile act as radar reflector.