JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[SinoSoldier]

Production JF-17's have only been flying with RD-93. We don't even know exactly what the progress of WS-13 is. Looking at the struggle they've had trying to mass produce WS-10, I'd wait for the engine to be installed on production JF-17s before breathing a sigh of relief.

Well, apparently, the first WS-13 powered JF-17 took off on March 18, 2010. This signifies that the Chinese are more confident in their own engine design. After all, it is more powerful than the current RD-93 and it is indigenous.

 

[dingyibvs]

Well, apparently, the first WS-13 powered JF-17 took off on March 18, 2010. This signifies that the Chinese are more confident in their own engine design. After all, it is more powerful than the current RD-93 and it is indigenous.

No, it had a taxi test, not a first flight. Even after the JF-17 flies with it, it'll still take a while longer to become operational.

 

[SteelBird]

Men, so far I've seen is that the JF-17 carries 2600kgs of fuel internally. My serious question is that how far can it fly without drop-tanks?

 

[Chaminuka]

Men, so far I've seen is that the JF-17 carries 2600kgs of fuel internally. My serious question is that how far can it fly without drop-tanks?

I don't have time to estimate but I have done it before.
1. find the maximum (ferry) range.
2. Find the size of the external tanks
3. Add the internal fuel to the external fuel
4. The total fuel gives you the ferry range.
5. Use the proption "internal fuel/total fuel" to estimate the range it would go on internal fuel only.

 

[Dizasta1]

JF-17 Thunders have certain important additions which will take place in the coming future. Some of which would be In-Flight Refueling, Infra-Red Search and Track, WS-13 engines. We shall see how these additions pan out and when are they clear for operational use.

 

[Miragedriver]

Question for member(s) knowledgeable in the performance of the WS-13 powerplant for the JF-17. Previous problems with the R-33 engine on the Mig-29 were resulting in a mean time between overhauls of around 800 hours. This was costing the Indians and the Peruvians around $400K US per engine to have it service at the factory in Russian. Now that India has a maintenance/support facility, and the ability to rebuild their own engines the mean time between overhauls have been increased. The RD-93 has an even better service record in addition to now being “smokeless”.
My question is as follows: is the reliability of the WS-13 engine better than that of the RD-93? Is it between Russian engine reliability of more like the western power plants, which have around 4000 hours between overhaul?

Thanks

 

[Lion]

Question for member(s) knowledgeable in the performance of the WS-13 powerplant for the JF-17. Previous problems with the R-33 engine on the Mig-29 were resulting in a mean time between overhauls of around 800 hours. This was costing the Indians and the Peruvians around $400K US per engine to have it service at the factory in Russian. Now that India has a maintenance/support facility, and the ability to rebuild their own engines the mean time between overhauls have been increased. The RD-93 has an even better service record in addition to now being “smokeless”.
My question is as follows: is the reliability of the WS-13 engine better than that of the RD-93? Is it between Russian engine reliability of more like the western power plants, which have around 4000 hours between overhaul?

Thanks

WS-13 is quoted by CAC officer and PAF chief of having additional 10% thrust than RD-93.

Regarding WS-13 reliability and durability compare to RD-93. This answer is so far unknown to layman.

But RD-93 will be a mature product. So its has the advantage in these area since WS-13 is relative new.'

Another thing is WS-13 is not certify yet. So RD-93 engine will only be the engine available to serve existing FC-1 fleet for certain years.

 

[challenge]

during the 90's China and india discover some of AL -31 fan blade suffer from crack,Indian ask the russian for replacement engine, while china uses there own fan blade to replace the damage blade.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

According to Chenium at CDF First flight JF 17 with WS 13 January 15 2011

JF17 powered by WS13 is to come!

2011年1月15日 星期六 中国航空报

黎阳公司某新型发动机首飞成功

4月18日下午，在某机场起飞线上，配装黎阳公司自行研制生产的某新型发动机的飞机整装待发，14 时57分飞机随着震耳欲聋的轰鸣声，以矫健的英姿飞向蓝天，18分钟的飞行后，平稳降落，发动机工作正常，运转良好。至此，某新型发动机配装飞机首飞成功，它标志着某新型发动机和某飞机动力国产化研制工作取得重大突破。

某新型发动机是首台由中航工业采用“共同投入，共同研制，共担风险，共享利益”的“四共”模式研制的发动机，在研制组织、管理上进行了创新和探索。2001年启动研制工作，2005年由原中国一航批准立项，2006年实现首台国产化整机台架性能试车，2008年完成高空台试验考核，2009年完成飞行台试验。首飞成功，凝聚了中航工业黎阳及参研单位干部、职工十年来的汗水与心血。

Google translation
JF17 powered by WS13 is to come!

January 15, 2011 Saturday, reported China Airlines

Liyang company successful maiden flight of a new engine

April 18 afternoon, in an airport , Yang Li company developed and produced new engine aircraft is ready to go at 14:57. With the deafening roar of the aircraft to fly vigorous heroic blue sky, 18 minutes After the flight, smooth landing, the engine works, works well. At this point, a new type of aircraft engine equipped with a successful maiden flight, it marks a new type of aircraft, engines and dynamic localization of a major breakthrough in development work.

 

[Lion]

According to Chenium at CDF First flight JF 17 with WS 13 January 15 2011

JF17 powered by WS13 is to come!

2011年1月15日 星期六 中国航空报

黎阳公司某新型发动机首飞成功

4月18日下午，在某机场起飞线上，配装黎阳公司自行研制生产的某新型发动机的飞机整装待发，14 时57分飞机随着震耳欲聋的轰鸣声，以矫健的英姿飞向蓝天，18分钟的飞行后，平稳降落，发动机工作正常，运转良好。至此，某新型发动机配装飞机首飞成功，它标志着某新型发动机和某飞机动力国产化研制工作取得重大突破。

某新型发动机是首台由中航工业采用“共同投入，共同研制，共担风险，共享利益”的“四共”模式研制的发动机，在研制组织、管理上进行了创新和探索。2001年启动研制工作，2005年由原中国一航批准立项，2006年实现首台国产化整机台架性能试车，2008年完成高空台试验考核，2009年完成飞行台试验。首飞成功，凝聚了中航工业黎阳及参研单位干部、职工十年来的汗水与心血。

Google translation
JF17 powered by WS13 is to come!

January 15, 2011 Saturday, reported China Airlines

Liyang company successful maiden flight of a new engine

April 18 afternoon, in an airport , Yang Li company developed and produced new engine aircraft is ready to go at 14:57. With the deafening roar of the aircraft to fly vigorous heroic blue sky, 18 minutes After the flight, smooth landing, the engine works, works well. At this point, a new type of aircraft engine equipped with a successful maiden flight, it marks a new type of aircraft, engines and dynamic localization of a major breakthrough in development work.

That means first flight is actually last year April 18 2010? Now it was certify?