Japanese ships disrupted Chinese naval exercises

Blackstone

Brigadier
Well, as far as this incident is concerned, which is the JMSDF action (whatever it was) with respect to the Chinese exercises, I suggest we hold off on all of the hot rhetoric until we actually know what happened.

There has been no evidence given that the Japanese hazarded any Chinese vessel yet. There has been no evidence that a Japanese Captain sailed his ship recklessly through the middle of an active Chinese formation.

All we know is that the Japanese apparently did not honor whatever zone the Chinese established around their exercises in international waters.

I have no doubt that the JMSDF observed and was seeking to get as much intelligence as possible. I also am willing to bet that the Japanese came to some position that the Chinese were willing to take issue with...probably to try and get the Chinese to utilize more of their sensors and get more intelligence as a result.

I would doubt seriously that any Japanese DDG (specifically DD-107, the Murasame Class destroyer) either hazarded any Chinese vessel, or that it drove recklessly through an active formation (and BTW, short of a photo Op or an official fleet review, it is most likely that the formation was not an in-line formation. Those are not used in at-sea exercises like these. Usually only for official reviews or photo ops).

If the JMSDF vessel hazarded any ship, that would represent an abject provocation and serious warnings and the threat of preventing it in the future would be warranted. If they recklessly sailed through an active formation, short of hazarding any ship, that would still be an harassment.

The Chinese have lodged a complaint. That does not mean in the least that the "next time," they will use force. Let's see if they back up the complaint with actual videos of what happened. If they have videos of any hazarding or actual harassment, let them show them. That will settle exactly what happened.

If they do not, then it was probably something irritating to them, but certainly not a hazard, and probably short of even an harassment...and if that is the case, I seriously doubt that they would ever react to such an incident with force.

Until we know those details, all of us are speculating.

Well said, Jeff. JMSDF is a very professional force, so it's hard to imagine Japanese ships being reckless or unsafe. However, these are trying times in the Sino-Japanese relations, so we can't rule anything out. Nevertheless, both sides should cool their jets until the facts come out.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
I like to know if any radar illumination occured. That to me is more important than the positioning of the ships. From what I read so far there has been none in this incident however if JMSDF did 'illuminate the bridge' I can see why PLAN got their skivvies in a knot and understandably so.

That is not going to happen without the authorization of the Japanese Prime Minister under the present constitution and I cannot see it happen as long as PLAN does not shoot first.
JMSDF showed unimaginable amount of restrain the last time PLAN did such a stunt like that even those the entire ship was flooded with a warning siren that they had been locked on.
No Japan did not release the proof to the world since that itself is a military secret showing how sensitive JMSDF ship's radar capability is but the US had verified the data and concurred with Japan that PLAN had locked on their firing radar at a JMSDF ship.
 

Cyclist

Junior Member
The problem for me with what Japanese did is why they did not leave after given warnings? and why stayed there for 3 days? If it is not intentional, then what?
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
The problem for me with what Japanese did is why they did not leave after given warnings? and why stayed there for 3 days? If it is not intentional, then what?

Probably because they saw no reason in leaving not doing anything wrong and was in international waters.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Probably because they saw no reason in leaving not doing anything wrong and was in international waters.

It's beyond clear China and Japan need to lower the temperature and agree to a workable Naval code of conduct. No one need to lose face or admit fault, but civilized nations work out their problems through diplomacy and not with brinksmanship (we leave that to North Korea and Iran).
 

getready

Senior Member
Re: Japanese ships dusrupted chinese naval exercicies

And that is exactly what the Japanese want China to do since it will give Japan a legitimate reason to fester more US military support; China must stay calm and know that time is on its side.

I'll be more worried if there are any CIA led internal coups or major economic troubles in china. This is nothing, emotional yes but nothing really.

The Chinese leadership thinks long term and above all practical. They know the direction both countries are going. The ultimate position they want to be is to be on equal terms with the US. Japan is not a target, they never will be a superpower, and the ship has sailed for them to be a Regional top dog too. they are just more or less a nuisance now to china. However The Chinese people do have intense feelings against the Jps due to the atrocities they commited and other historical issues, so although the Chinese govt are thinking long term, they have to soothe their people's feeling too every now and then

So dun let the china bashing and Jp cheering crowd cause this to be something even more personal. Chinese economy and influence is on the up way trajectory. The Chinese leadership knows what is important. It takes more that Jp trying silly manoveurs to disrupt it. In the big scheme of things it is nothing. All it does is lure Jp trolls to show their double standards whenever incidents happen between the 2 countries.

Now if Jp continue to actively block China's rise and cease economic cooperation or even war, They have a lot more to lose economically than china does. China is such a big market for their products, one of the main reasons for the slowing of their economic decline for the last decades is their success in trade with china. Jps are not stupid enough to not know that
 

A.Man

Major
I found this on Chinese Internet. It has a very different perspective looking through the incident-we need a good English translation.

活捉SHE
国防部对日舰107的表态,又一次掀起了网络上公知自由派的兴奋,呵呵,现在只要是个救命稻草,哪怕是个雷管他们也要去握,我真的开始为他们的智商着急了。

就提三点:
1,国防部不说,军方的演训过程属于军事机密,老百姓永远不会知道,真是吃亏丢脸的事,军方说出来,就为了给你们个理由寒碜他?
2,如果是日方占便宜的事,那么发声和选择信息释放渠道应该是日方吧?
3,注意,强调日本渔船的提法和这背后(看到有的兄弟还在纠结咱们施救,你确定他一定是民船?)

我还告诉你们,在2016年之前,也就是三年之内,日本会不断这样在他认为的,你的岸基航空兵能力半径的边沿“上门找打”,因为我们会经常出去,不信你们就等着,要我说,你们不如把网上喷海军的那点时间用来准备细软,以便在可能一天“突发的擦枪走火”的时候,不要被战时体制的紧急状态影响了“人生”嘿嘿。

我怎么也搞不明白,这么简单的逻辑关系居然还能理不清楚,看来立场决定智商啊,当碰到一个突发事件的时候,什么最重要?控制住情绪,这个时候情绪没有什么积极和正面的作用,呵呵,这时候最需要的是冷静,冷静的思考,冷静的筛选和排除,冷静的分析。

在这里,个人说了那么多次,一个军事行为的整体准备是连贯的有步骤的,什么预案都是必须要建立的,更何况是大规模的军事行动--诸如这次的海军联合演习,你认为有突发情况的可能吗?我们没有制订应对鬼子抵近骚扰甚至军事冲突的各级预案?这可能吗?那还叫实兵演习?演习为了什么?如果是对军事一知半解的公知那样想,是作秀,那么完全可以在相对熟悉和有针对性的海域举行,搞什么远程机动?不想想吗?

个人在这里一直说,战役部署,战场建设和预设战场、节奏控制,还有如何获取相对的战场优势,个人还说过,即使是历史上突发的军事冲突,实际都不突发,而是相对的引爆点选择问题,都是经过长期的敌对和相应的战争准备的,看似偶然实则必然的结果,个人还强调,军事行为的计划性与针对性,曾经说过,两个军事行为准备和实施策划的要点,一个反面,因怒兴兵,兵之大忌,一个正面,突出战役决心,你打你的,我打我的,不为所动,让你为我所调动。

如果想明白这一点,就会知道,长期对峙中,就没什么纯粹的偶发和突发,一切的过程实际上都是顺其自然,按部就班,那么,我们为什么要去顺着鬼子的预案走,顺着鬼子的思路和战场选择走?呵呵,就因为他在这里找事,就要在这里跟他进行战役行为?鬼子想的也太美了吧?针对目前的部署势态和环境评估,鬼子还是很精的,精的追着屁股想让我们打第一枪。

但是,返回头来大家想一想,谁公布的信息?中国国防部,三大舰队为什么去远海的西太?相对陌生的海域进行大范围海上机动性演练?因为我们觉得那里是我们未来要真正解决部分问题的地方,一个切割东亚安全链条的节点,会没有冲突的准备?你本身就是在逼近冲突嘛,这么分析下来,谁吃亏了,就非常简单,鬼子的尿性大家都知道,我不置评。

我只说一点,大家看看,让鬼子牵着鼻子的事我们是不会做的,鬼子声称击落无人机,那是在东海,在钓钩那里,我们高调回应这是战争行为,会用军事应对反制,然后央视“曝光”核潜艇,这一步步可不是嘴炮,为的也不是公知兴高采烈的打脸,如果是我,我西太演习,预案里本来就有摩擦处置,这一点不奇怪,公海实兵对抗出现袭扰,高调公布,鬼子照射雷达卖乖的事还回去,谁吃亏了暂且不表,表明一个明确的态度,这是极端危险的战争行为,划出底线,足够了,别以为这是后退,因为这是第二次,在东海,无人机估计可就又要飞了,嘿嘿,你鬼子想什么时间打就打?在哪打就在哪打?做梦去吧!




刀口

我们首先谈谈雷达技术。
世界上的陆基雷达对大型舰艇最大的探测距离不超过600公里,空中预警机对大型舰艇的探测距离也一样,因为它的雷达组件要比陆基少的多,当然优势是可以移动前出扩大搜索距离。
第二,世界上能够用太空的合成孔径雷达(美国的白云系列,中国的遥感系列和海洋监测卫星系列)有效的探测和监视海上舰船的只有美中俄,俄罗斯目前只能算半个,因为它的雷达星基本都不再工作了。
前面我们在谈到中国提供袋鼠火灾烧袋鼠皮烧到哪里的卫星图片的事时,已经说的很清楚,袋鼠找咱们说明咱们有这个能力,美国也可以,但是它是要钱的。
我们许多朋友认为谷歌也可以,但是它一个月才能提供一张,那不是马后屁嘛,所以,谷歌看上去也行,其实是瞎扯。这跟人死了才看医生是一个道理。
真正能在大洋上实时监控的卫星是一个群体,至少要19到25颗卫星变轨运作,交替过顶才能完成。中国提供给袋鼠(澳大利亚)的是正常运行的卫星图片,不用变轨就可以提供,所以我们也没要钱,战时就不一样了,需要变轨组队侦查。
说了这么多,朋友们就应该清楚了,日本是没有能力监视中国舰队在西太平洋的活动的。
有资深军迷会问,日本不是也有大型相控阵雷达和预警机吗?
答案是,日本的大型相控阵雷达在三泽,基本上靠近北海道,另外就是日本的预警机当成宝贝(只有4架)没有敢来。在三泽的相控阵雷达主要是监视中朝,对西太平洋的探测距离只有不到3000公里,中国舰队有意避开了日本大型相控阵雷达,日本还是什么也看不着。
前面说了,日本的预警机如果进入我演习区才是最大的威胁,但是日本没有这个胆量,况且日本的波音707预警机是每架花了2点5亿美元刚刚挨宰升级的,参数非常保密,如果到了中国的演习区开机扫描和侦查等于提前暴露了参数,中国会逼使它使尽招数开机,到时候反而得不偿失,那就不如不来。
我们再说这次来的107舰,这是一艘已经落后的村雨级驱逐舰,是一艘典型的反潜驱逐舰,对海搜索的距离不超过300公里,而我军的演习区域横跨2000公里,而且是变换不定的,要想窥探全貌等于瞎子摸象,根本看不见什么东西,
我不知道朋友们是怎么看新闻的?公开资料显示我军本次演习分红蓝双方,红方在搜索不到蓝方的情况下不得不启动太空的天基系统搜索,很遗憾这个消息不少朋友们没有解读出来(前面有网友贴过有关消息)。
这次演习中国海军出动了100多艘舰船和潜艇,日本才去了一艘老式的驱逐舰。
简单说,这次演习的初始阶段,中国海军的红蓝双方自己都找不到自己的对手,日本一艘驱逐舰能找着什么?
所以,这次日本派一艘老式的驱逐舰和一两架反潜机进入我演习区主要还是个姿态,就是捣捣乱。只要它狗日的没来大型电子侦察船和预警机以及两艘以上的舰队,实际作用就是捣乱而已。
所以一些朋友们大呼小叫的是真没有必要。
有关机动05大演习的分析我现在还不想说,要憋一下。
05演习的真正目的是什么?到现在我看了大大小小的分析,真的都是瞎扯淡。
刚刚看了有网友的解读,误认为中国舰队也没有发现日本的107舰,这是没有好好看新闻,这条107舰是中国舰队经过宫古海峡时像一条癞皮狗一样跟着去的,要不然它也找不着中国舰队。到了大概位置中国舰队只要派一条舰赶它就行了,比如刻意与107打对头,它就要转弯,横在它前面它还是要避让,一来二去它狗日的就找不到北了。
中国舰队演习开始后,舰队会呈战斗队形散开各自执行任务,有的相距几百公里,中国舰队这次总共100多条舰,它找谁去?
另外,要区分编队航行和战斗队形航行的区别,编队航行是聚在一起,战斗队形就散开了。

Auto translation-A Major Mind Rape, Sorry!

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rijian 107 MoD's position, once again set off a network known liberal excitement, huh, huh, now just a straw, even if it is They also want to hold the detonator, I'm really starting to worry their IQ. To mention three things: one, the Defense Department did not say, during the military exercises are military secrets, people will never know, really suffer disgrace, the military say it, just to give you a reason shabby him? 2, if the Japanese side to take advantage of it, the utterance and selection information release channels should be the Japanese side, right? 3, note, emphasizing the formulation and Japanese fishing boat behind this (we saw some brothers are still entangled rescue, are you sure he must be privateers?) I also told you that in 2016, that is, within three years Japan will continue so he thinks, and your ability to shore-based aviation radius edge "home looking to play," because we would often go out, do not believe you just wait, I say, you better put that point Navy jet online Time to prepare soft, so may one day "sudden accidental discharge", do not be influenced wartime regime of emergency "Life" Hey. I also do not understand how, so simple logic can actually manage unclear, it appears that the decision stand IQ ah, when it comes to a sudden event, what is most important? Control the emotions, feelings this time there is no active and positive role, Oh, this time is most needed is calm, cool thinking, screening and exclusion calm, sober analysis. Here, the man said so many times, a military behavior is consistent with the overall preparation steps, and what plans are necessary to create, let alone a large-scale military operations - such as this joint naval exercises Do you think you have the possibility of unexpected situations? We do not deal with the Devils came close to formulating a military conflict at all levels of harassment and even plans? Is this possible? It is also called military exercises? Exercises for what? If it is known in military smattering think that, a show, it is entirely possible in a relatively familiar waters and targeted at, things like remote maneuver? Do not think about it? People here have been saying, campaign deployment, and preset battlefield battlefield, rhythm control, as well as how to obtain the relative strengths of the battlefield, individuals also said that even the history of sudden military conflict, not the actual burst, while The tipping point is a relative choice questions are after long-term hostility and war preparations accordingly, seemingly by chance but in reality is an inevitable result, individuals also stressed that military action is planned and targeted, once said that two military actions preparation and implementation planning point, a negative, because anger Xingbing, soldiers of the taboo, a positive, highlighting the Battle of determination, you hit, I hit my, unmoved, so you have to mobilize for me. If you want to understand this, you know, long-term confrontation, nothing purely accidental and sudden, all the process is actually just comes naturally, step by step, then, why are we going to go down the devils plan, cis the devils ideas and battlefield choose to go? Oh, because he look for a job here, will be here to carry on with his campaign behavior? Devils think it is too beautiful? Momentum for the current deployment and environmental assessments, the Devils still very fine, fine ass wants us to hit the first shot chase. However, we think back up, who published information? Chinese Ministry of National Defense, the three fleets Why go to the West too far from the sea? Relatively unfamiliar waters of a wide range of maritime mobility exercises? Because we feel that there is a part of our future to truly solve the problem areas, an East Asian security chain cutting node will no conflict ready? You're actually in the approaching conflict Well, so analysis down, who suffer, it is very simple, devils urine of you know, I did not mention comment. I can only say that we look at, let devils holding his nose thing we will not do, Devils claimed shot down unmanned aerial vehicles, it was in the East China Sea, the hooks where we respond to this high-profile acts of war, will use military response to anti-system, then the CCTV "exposure" nuclear submarines, this step is not mouth artillery, nor is it known as the elated on her face, if it is me, I Westpac exercises do have a plan in the disposal of friction, which is not surprising high seas real confrontation appeared harassment, a high-profile announcement, the Devils exposure to radar Maiguai things still go back, who suffer the defer table, indicating a clear attitude, which is extremely dangerous act of war, draw the bottom line, is enough, do not think This is the back, because this is the second time in the East China Sea, UAV estimate may have to fly, hey, what time you want to play devils hit? Where to play on where to play? Dream on! Edge we first talk about radar technology. The world's largest land-based radar detection on large ships distance of not more than 600 km, airborne early warning detection range for large ships, too, because it is a land-based radar components much less than that, of course, the advantage is that you can move to expand ago search distance. Second, the world can use the space synthetic aperture radar (U.S. Baiyun series, China series and ocean monitoring remote sensing satellite series) effective detection and monitoring of maritime ship only the United States and Russia, Russia currently only half, radar because it basically does not work anymore star. Earlier we talked about China in providing Kangaroo Kangaroo skin burn where the fire burned the satellite picture of the thing, it was already said very clearly, kangaroos we find we have the ability to explain, the United States can be, but it is the money. Many of our friends think that Google can be, but it can provide a month, that's not the horse fart Well, so, Google looks OK, in fact, is nonsense. It was with the dead is a reason to see a doctor. Real time monitoring in the ocean is a group of satellites, at least 19-25 satellites orbit operation, alternating over the top to complete. China provided to the Kangaroo (Australia) is the normal operation of the satellite images do not orbit can provide, so we did not ask for money, war is not the same, you need to orbit the investigation team. Having said that, my friends should be clear, there is no ability to monitor the Japanese fleet in the Western Pacific China activities. A senior military fans will ask, Japan is not too large phased-array radar and AWACS do? The answer is that Japan's large phased array radar in Misawa, basically close to Hokkaido, the other is the Japanese AWACS as a baby (only four) did not dare to come. In Misawa phased array radar is mainly to monitor North Korea, the detection range of the Western Pacific is less than 3,000 km, China intends to avoid the Japanese fleet large phased array radar, the Japanese still could not see none. Said earlier, the Japanese early warning if they go into my exercise area is the biggest threat, but Japan does not have the guts Moreover, Japan is the Boeing 707 AWACS aircraft took 2 points per $ 500 million to upgrade just ripped off, the parameters are very confidential, If China's exercise area to start scanning and detection of early exposure equal to the argument that China would force it to do tricks to boot, to the time but worth the candle, it is better not to come. We say this to the 107-ship, which is an already lagging Murasame-class destroyer, is a typical anti-submarine destroyer, the distance to the sea search does not exceed 300 km, while the army's exercise area spans 2,000 kilometers, and is the transform variable, in order to spy on equal groping picture, can not see anything, I do not know how my friends are watching the news? Public data shows army blue sides participating in this exercise, the red square in the search than the blue side of the case had to start search space-based systems, unfortunately, the news did not read a lot of my friends come out (in front of friends had posted relevant information). This exercise Chinese navy ships sent out more than 100 ships and submarines, the Japanese before going to an old destroyer. Simply put, the initial phase of the exercise, the Chinese navy red and blue parties themselves can not find their opponents, the Japanese destroyer can be found nothing? So, this time Japan has sent a destroyer and twelve old-fashioned anti-submarine aircraft to enter my main exercise area was a gesture that stir trouble. As long as it did not come to the dog days of large-scale electronic surveillance ship and AWACS and two or more of the fleet, the practical effect is to cause trouble only. So some of my friends yelling is really not necessary. For the analysis of large-scale exercise maneuver 05 I do not want to say, you want to hold it. 05 What is the real purpose of the exercise? Up to now I saw the analysis of large and small, really is bullsh. Just read that someone's interpretation, mistakenly believe that China did not find the Japanese fleet to 107 ships, which is not properly read the news, this 107-ship fleet in China through the Miyako Strait as like a mangy dog go along, or else it could not find Chinese fleet. China Fleet approximate location to send a ship to catch it as long as the line, such as deliberately playing with the 107 head, it is necessary to turn the cross in front of it or to avoid it, one to two days to go about it on the dog can not find north. China Fleet exercises began, the fleet will battle formation was spread out their tasks, and some hundreds of kilometers apart, China The total fleet of more than 100 ships, it is who to turn to? In addition, the fleet sailed to distinguish the difference between sailing and battle formations, formations is sailing together on the spread of the battle formation.
 
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volleyballer

Banned Idiot
I found this on Chinese Internet. It has a very different perspective looking through the incident-we need a good English translation.

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我们首先谈谈雷达技术。
世界上的陆基雷达对大型舰艇最大的探测距离不超过600公里,空中预警机对大型舰艇的探测距离也一样,因为它的雷达组件要比陆基少的多,当然优势是可以移动前出扩大搜索距离。
第二,世界上能够用太空的合成孔径雷达(美国的白云系列,中国的遥感系列和海洋监测卫星系列)有效的探测和监视海上舰船的只有美中俄,俄罗斯目前只能算半个,因为它的雷达星基本都不再工作了。
前面我们在谈到中国提供袋鼠火灾烧袋鼠皮烧到哪里的卫星图片的事时,已经说的很清楚,袋鼠找咱们说明咱们有这个能力,美国也可以,但是它是要钱的。
我们许多朋友认为谷歌也可以,但是它一个月才能提供一张,那不是马后屁嘛,所以,谷歌看上去也行,其实是瞎扯。这跟人死了才看医生是一个道理。
真正能在大洋上实时监控的卫星是一个群体,至少要19到25颗卫星变轨运作,交替过顶才能完成。中国提供给袋鼠(澳大利亚)的是正常运行的卫星图片,不用变轨就可以提供,所以我们也没要钱,战时就不一样了,需要变轨组队侦查。
说了这么多,朋友们就应该清楚了,日本是没有能力监视中国舰队在西太平洋的活动的。
有资深军迷会问,日本不是也有大型相控阵雷达和预警机吗?
答案是,日本的大型相控阵雷达在三泽,基本上靠近北海道,另外就是日本的预警机当成宝贝(只有4架)没有敢来。在三泽的相控阵雷达主要是监视中朝,对西太平洋的探测距离只有不到3000公里,中国舰队有意避开了日本大型相控阵雷达,日本还是什么也看不着。
前面说了,日本的预警机如果进入我演习区才是最大的威胁,但是日本没有这个胆量,况且日本的波音707预警机是每架花了2点5亿美元刚刚挨宰升级的,参数非常保密,如果到了中国的演习区开机扫描和侦查等于提前暴露了参数,中国会逼使它使尽招数开机,到时候反而得不偿失,那就不如不来。
我们再说这次来的107舰,这是一艘已经落后的村雨级驱逐舰,是一艘典型的反潜驱逐舰,对海搜索的距离不超过300公里,而我军的演习区域横跨2000公里,而且是变换不定的,要想窥探全貌等于瞎子摸象,根本看不见什么东西,
我不知道朋友们是怎么看新闻的?公开资料显示我军本次演习分红蓝双方,红方在搜索不到蓝方的情况下不得不启动太空的天基系统搜索,很遗憾这个消息不少朋友们没有解读出来(前面有网友贴过有关消息)。
这次演习中国海军出动了100多艘舰船和潜艇,日本才去了一艘老式的驱逐舰。
简单说,这次演习的初始阶段,中国海军的红蓝双方自己都找不到自己的对手,日本一艘驱逐舰能找着什么?
所以,这次日本派一艘老式的驱逐舰和一两架反潜机进入我演习区主要还是个姿态,就是捣捣乱。只要它狗日的没来大型电子侦察船和预警机以及两艘以上的舰队,实际作用就是捣乱而已。
所以一些朋友们大呼小叫的是真没有必要。
有关机动05大演习的分析我现在还不想说,要憋一下。
05演习的真正目的是什么?到现在我看了大大小小的分析,真的都是瞎扯淡。
刚刚看了有网友的解读,误认为中国舰队也没有发现日本的107舰,这是没有好好看新闻,这条107舰是中国舰队经过宫古海峡时像一条癞皮狗一样跟着去的,要不然它也找不着中国舰队。到了大概位置中国舰队只要派一条舰赶它就行了,比如刻意与107打对头,它就要转弯,横在它前面它还是要避让,一来二去它狗日的就找不到北了。
中国舰队演习开始后,舰队会呈战斗队形散开各自执行任务,有的相距几百公里,中国舰队这次总共100多条舰,它找谁去?
另外,要区分编队航行和战斗队形航行的区别,编队航行是聚在一起,战斗队形就散开了。


There is a lot of political spin / personal opinions in this piece. The first paragraph is filled with it. But the basic assertion is this: Japan is doing all they can to provoke the Chinese to fire the first shot. The second paragraph contains more technical assertions.

1) The JSDF is not capable of detecting fleet movements out in the West Pacific. Since it is out of range of their traditional land based radars. The only nations in the world capable of large scale maritime surveillance are: Russia, China, and the United States.

2) The large phased array radar at Misawa has an effective range of under 3000 KM. Therefore if the PLAN fleet wanted to be out of their detection range, they would simply do so.

3) Japan isn't willing to risk its precious AWACs since they were recently upgraded and contain new sensors. If they had engaged the PLAN fleet, then they may be giving away valuable sensor information prematurely. Also they only have 4 of these babies.

4) The JMSDF DDG-107 is a second-tier destroyer and its presence during this exercise was merely posturing. It has an effective detection range of under 300 KM. In fact, it tailed the PLAN fleet as they passed through the strait of Miyako. Otherwise, the JMSDF wouldn't have been able to find the PLAN fleet in the West Pacific later.

5) The entire exercise involved some 100 PLAN ships spread across 2000 KM, and was broken up into Red fleet and Blue fleet. The Red fleet was unable to locate the blue fleet until they utilized space assets. This means that even the Chinese ships were unable to find each other until they invoked the space assets (of which Japan does not possess). How is a single, second-tier, destroyer with a 300 KM detection range be able to accomplish significant surveillance for the JMSDF?

The author deduces that based on these findings, the single DDG-107 from the JMSDF sent to the exercise zone is only there to irritate and provoke the Chinese into firing the first shot.


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The above are the author's opinion, not mine.
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I found this on Chinese Internet. It has a very different perspective looking through the incident-we need a good English translation.

我还告诉你们,在2016年之前,也就是三年之内,日本会不断这样在他认为的,你的岸基航空兵能力半径的边沿“上门找打”,因为我们会经常出去,不信你们就等着,

但是,返回头来大家想一想,谁公布的信息?中国国防部,三大舰队为什么去远海的西太?相对陌生的海域进行大范围海上机动性演练?因为我们觉得那里是我们未来要真正解决部分问题的地方,一个切割东亚安全链条的节点,会没有冲突的准备?

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世界上能够用太空的合成孔径雷达(美国的白云系列,中国的遥感系列和海洋监测卫星系列)有效的探测和监视海上舰船的只有美中俄,俄罗斯目前只能算半个,因为它的雷达星基本都不再工作了。前面我们在谈到中国提供袋鼠火灾烧袋鼠皮烧到哪里的卫星图片的事时,已经说的很清楚,袋鼠找咱们说明咱们有这个能力,美国也可以,但是它是要钱的。

另外就是日本的预警机当成宝贝(只有4架)没有敢来。

我们再说这次来的107舰,这是一艘已经落后的村雨级驱逐舰,是一艘典型的反潜驱逐舰,对海搜索的距离不超过300公里,而我军的演习区域横跨2000公里,而且是变换不定的,要想窥探全貌等于瞎子摸象,根本看不见什么东西,

红方在搜索不到蓝方的情况下不得不启动太空的天基系统搜索,很遗憾这个消息不少朋友们没有解读出来(前面有网友贴过有关消息)。

我还告诉你们,在2016年之前,也就是三年之内,日本会不断这样在他认为的,你的岸基航空兵能力半径的边沿“上门找打”,因为我们会经常出去,不信你们就等着,
Before 2016, in three years, Japan will confront PLAN near the edge of PLA shore-based aviation force. PLAN will go out frequently. Let's wait and see. (The author implies that carrier-based aviation force may be built after 2016.)

三大舰队为什么去远海的西太?相对陌生的海域进行大范围海上机动性演练?因为我们觉得那里是我们未来要真正解决部分问题的地方,一个切割东亚安全链条的节点,会没有冲突的准备?
Why did PLAN go to unfamiliar west Pacific for high sea exercise? This is because there is the place we resolve some problems in the future, a node of linking eastern Asia security chain. Preparation of confrontation has to be done.

The second article has several errors. For example, the author said Japan has only 4 E-767 AWACS. But he forgot 13 E-2C as well as data-link between US and Japan. Second, the author compared RADARSAT for ocean survelliance with image satellite for Australian disaster monitor. Third, the author thought only one 107 ASW ship and few P-3C for shadowing PLAN fleets. He forgot Japan ELINT capability and submarine forces.
The most interesting thing the author mentioned is that RED force mobilized space-based asset to track BLUE force.
 
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