Japanese ships disrupted Chinese naval exercises

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Week after 'provocation'. Still, the provocative and right-wing Japan, threatened PLAN with a knife, emm, vessel disobeyed the US-Soviet treaty from 1972! This thread is beautiful. Few users unfortunately can't go out with their top-secret infos they gathered from intel in a fear of being banned as well... At least they can like each other posts.

So what happened there? Let's gather facts.

1. China held drills largest ever live-firing drills on Pacific without a clear ending date in an area which the map I posted earlier showed.
2. SDF dispatched a vessel (DD-107 Ikazuchi) to observe the drills as well as few planes
3. Chinese embassy in Tokyo made a request (no date given) to withdraw Japanese vessel entering the drill zone ignoring Chinese requests to get out of it (Chinese press informed later on that it stayed there from October 25th to 28th)
4. Japanese MOD Onodera stated that Japanese side didn't harm any international laws observing the drills and 'couldn't understand' why Chinese side made request.

Anything I forgot? Oh, and from this thread: Japanese navigated between Chinese vessels in the middle of the drill, Japanese broke US-USSR treaty about drills from 1972, China can open fire on international waters to anyone and can claim it as theirs for the time of drills.

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I just want to ask fellow members here who are pro-Japanese, If it is Japanese navy who is doing navy drill in International water and Chinese ship enter the drill area, would Japanese protest?

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Abe said publicly his administration would be more assertive in the Daiyu/Sankaku standoff, so it's not surprising to see Japanese boats actively looking for trouble.

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Cyclist said:

... If it is Japanese navy who is doing navy drill in International water and Chinese ship enter the drill area, would Japanese protest?

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Is the Pope Catholic?

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Cyclist said:

I just want to ask fellow members here who are pro-Japanese, If it is Japanese navy who is doing navy drill in International water and Chinese ship enter the drill area, would Japanese protest?

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Have you ever heard of Japan protesting during or after a military drill in international waters?
Japan has held various drills both independently and jointly with the US in which all cases Japan announced those military drills in advance to other nations. I can't believe that PLAN had never sent ships at any of those occasions in the past.
So has anyone ever heard of any protests made by Japan against PRC in the past?

There is your answer.

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.....and the Great Game is back in East Asia!

All this Argy Bargy does not upset Beijing one jot as it the main relationship upset by it is the US/Japanese one.
China is trying to force open the largest possible wedge between Toyko and Washington and an ardent nationalist like Abe makes this a far simpler job than it would otherwise be.

Somebody wrote in this thread early on that China needs to build local alliances. These already exist, Russian support for China is a given, ROC shares the same claims as PRC and ROK (certainly under Park) is active in promoting its own disputes against Japan and most likely to make common cause with others.

Japanese moves are a major headache for Washington which needs to engage both Beijing and Moscow to help resolve various existing crisis in Asia and Middle East.
If a real crisis comes, the US will either have to sit on its hands and abandon Japan and by extension lose any meat in the Repivot policy sandwich, or aid Japan and watch its other major FP Investments sink without trace.

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SamuraiBlue said:

Auhh, where did you pull the "It's an international agreement"?
Here is an article from last year stating that the US and China requires to sign a similar agreement.

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You also omitted various clauses within the "U.S.–Soviet Incidents at Sea agreement" making all your statement false.



FYI, yes I have an account at Skyscrapercity not several and use the same HN. As for this site this is my first.
I only post how I see them and I do not call other people TROLLS just because the do not agree with my opinion. Basically that kind of attitude is considered bad where I come from.

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Someone called you a troll probably because you use double standards for the basis of your arguments.
You can prove him wrong though, next time when Japan makes a similar complaint would you kindly blast Japan on all the internet forums?

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And? Japan denied that they did something against international rules. What's wrong with that? You were there and saw that with your eyes or contacted some high ranked PLAN officers while not even being able to respond what can a vessel do during drills?Where did you get it? I bet you had at least taken your camera with you as it would be quiet an amazing look to see a sole Japanese SDF vessel intruding a manouvering fleet of Chinese vessels in the midst of live-firing exercise in the middle of Pacific!

BTW, what's INJ?Ok, what are the real regulations and how did it look there? Kill me with an argument.

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I can talk like you too, are you able provide some prove that China didn't plan on conducting a live firing exercise at the location within the warning zone occupied by the Japanese vessel.
It must have been interrupted, or should Chinese vessels have assumed that the most capable Japanese captain knows how to keep his ship safe amidst a barrage of ordnance and fire away?

From my perspective, if me and my friends were playing ball in one of the six empty basketball courts and someone kept on running around between us claiming they have every right to play here as we do, then I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with a bloody nose. And if he kept it up after the initial warning, then random misfortunes might befell him.

But I understand common sense must be voluntarily neglected when the purpose is malevolence, so entertain me.

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xywdx said:

I can talk like you too, are you able provide some prove that China didn't plan on conducting a live firing exercise at the location within the warning zone occupied by the Japanese vessel.
It must have been interrupted, or should Chinese vessels have assumed that the most capable Japanese captain knows how to keep his ship safe amidst a barrage of ordnance and fire away?

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All you do is assume. Zero facts. I summarised all that we know in four points. And you come up with basketball courts. I just would like to know what happened there, why Chinese protested and what Japanese did. Right now we have word against word (but if you accuse someone of doing something you have evidence to prove it). I also bet there will be some photos from the drill like there always are. So maybe something will be among them.

the mentality of the hardliner japanese

on the latest issue of the "Foreign Policy", the well known japanese hawk Ishihara said he feared China may invade japan and turn it into the second Tibet!

the japanese hardliners are not confident, and they are very insecured, even though they trash talk about China all the time.

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Rutim said:

All you do is assume. Zero facts. I summarised all that we know in four points. And you come up with basketball courts. I just would like to know what happened there, why Chinese protested and what Japanese did. Right now we have word against word (but if you accuse someone of doing something you have evidence to prove it). I also bet there will be some photos from the drill like there always are. So maybe something will be among them.

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Well we can play that way too.

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1. China held drills largest ever live-firing drills on Pacific without a clear ending date in an area which the map I posted earlier showed.

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Ending date is the beginning of November as per the picture, so assume the earliest is on November 1st, which would be correct by the way.
But I guess on your calendar has October 25-28th coming after November 1st.

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2. SDF dispatched a vessel (DD-107 Ikazuchi) to observe the drills as well as few planes

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Of course, that's where the problem started.

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3. Chinese embassy in Tokyo made a request (no date given) to withdraw Japanese vessel entering the drill zone ignoring Chinese requests to get out of it (Chinese press informed later on that it stayed there from October 25th to 28th)

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The fact that the embassy had to make a request is part of the problem, it also proves the PLAN was very restrained in the face of provocation.

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4. Japanese MOD Onodera stated that Japanese side didn't harm any international laws observing the drills and 'couldn't understand' why Chinese side made request.

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Well if this is considered a fact, then by the same logic it is also a fact that Chinese MOD said Japanese ships disrupted Chinese naval exercises. Which then begs the question how Onedera couldn't understand facts.


At the end of the day, both sides are drawing lines, I don't think any national action will come of this incident. China is probably trying to make the point that in the future vessels who venture into predetermined live firing zones are responsible for their own safety.