Japan spots Chinese Warships

bd popeye said:

You know that ship #400 has no hangar. It does have a well deck. That LPH type ship in the drawing does have a hangar.

S. Korea is building at least 3 LPH's. They refer to them as LPX...Question is..Where is the PLAN LPH? Or LPD for that matter.

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Since China isn't realistically interested in invading Taiwan, and their navy is way below the army and air force in funding, they just aren’t interested in building a big one I’d assume. They do have a couple modern, if modest amphibious ships, which are presumably enough for day to day stuff, like hauling equipment to the Spratly islands.

Now as for why South Korea is building them... that has me head scratching a bit; they are putting a whole lot of money into long range and expeditionary capabilities, since North Korea just isn't a threat in any way except its NBC weapons. I suppose they do have some islands they might want to have the capability to retake, and they might be interested in joining into international operations, shit like Bosnia and that sort of thing, which would gain the ma great deal of prestige and political capital. Japan’s gator vessels make sense defensively, since there are only a few easily destroyed connections between the major home islands.

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What are you talking about? The US would stay in Japan and fight the Chinese to help defend Japan! OK, so it was China's before, but oh well, Japan invaded it and the Chinese didn't realize that it was origanlly apart of China until the 70's! They didn't even know it was their island! .

the US aren't gonna stay and help the japanese. they don't want to get killed for something that is not theirs.

the kive class to an extent can be thougt of as lpds...they can haul helicopters. but they also haul vtols and more missles than u can imagine.

china can convert its kievs to lpds, but leave out the missles. but the best way is to make its own. not to hard at all.

MIGleader said:

the kive class to an extent can be thougt of as lpds...they can haul helicopters. but they also haul vtols and more missles than u can imagine. .

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By kive class i'm sure you mean Kiev class? Kievs can no way be tought as an amphibious ship of any kind. Not whit or whit out it's missiles...You see the most important factor for amph. ships is the capapility to support and transport troops and equipment...now whit Kiev class, where did you plan to do it? In the hangar? You see Kievs have way too small hangar to theyr size at the begining (130 X 22 m) and if you take way of that to troops, there's no left for any helo to transport them...Kievs are at best just ASW ships but more to be counted as an experimental aviation ships...and no way of any use any more to even China...

you realize the kievs have alot of potential room for helos and troops if you take out the missles, right?

but your right, thay still are 1970's crap. i dont know why china has not built a lpd yet, both japan and sk have them or are building them, so they have excuse to complain. china cetainly is capable of making an lpd, so why not?

No they dont have. You just dont make ships that way, when some profesional shipbuilder says its posible and shows some scetches to prove it, i will buy it. Other wise... even whit one year of constructive studies, i can tell that much...you just dont make ships that way...

Gollevainen said:

...Kievs are at best just ASW ships but more to be counted as an experimental aviation ships...and no way of any use any more to even China...

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they would be great escort ships in CBGs - but thats another topic

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Very beautiful. Is the point that the teacher was trying to counter Japanese racism towards China?

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No it was the Japanese's Syllabus justification to invade China. Because i forgot to type the last words of the teacher. The teacher said "The apple came from China". The teacher then ask the class "Do u want another apple"? The children will usually reply "Yes". The teacher will smile and say "Then we will have to go to China to get the apple".

Education is truely lovely

MIGleader said:

you realize the kievs have alot of potential room for helos and troops if you take out the missles, right?

but your right, thay still are 1970's crap. i dont know why china has not built a lpd yet, both japan and sk have them or are building them, so they have excuse to complain. china cetainly is capable of making an lpd, so why not?

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Strategically speaking, the Chinese are extremely patient and prudent in their strategic planning and seldom rushes anything just because there is a desire for a peice of equipment. Things are always quite and subtle and then they just pop out and comes into existence. And usually when things pop out, it usually serves a specific purpose in their greater strategic scheme of things and a precursor to their ultimate objective. Chinese... patience, West.......rushes.

Mr_C said:

Strategically speaking, the Chinese are extremely patient and prudent in their strategic planning and seldom rushes anything just because there is a desire for a peice of equipment. Things are always quite and subtle and then they just pop out and comes into existence. And usually when things pop out, it usually serves a specific purpose in their greater strategic scheme of things and a precursor to their ultimate objective. Chinese... patience, West.......rushes.

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no, the indians are the best at rushing things.
well, if china wants to catch up, it needs to do so fast.

If I am right, didn't Japan change its military doctrine from "self-defence" to "regional security"?

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Mr_C said:

It is a great shame that most people from these 2 cultures have forgotten their great friendship for more than a thousand yrs. It is only during the last 200 yrs that we began to hate each other. It is much better to have Japan as a friend than an enemy. At least the majority of everyday people from these 2 cultures are not hostile to each other.

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Yes.........*sigh*