Japan spots Chinese Warships

Lovely and informing historical facts. But however correct me if i am wrong. Hideyoshi was never Shogun, therefore power was not centralised. Tokugawa Ieyusa was the man who became shogun after Hideyoshi's death. But either way, i do agree with u that Japan had Chinese conquest desires. Infact historically the countries in Asia beleived that if they could conqueor China, they will be powerful enough to conqouer the world. Which was true to a certain extend back in those days since China was the most power nation on Earth. As demonstrated by Kublai Khan, his Golden Horde basically conquered almost all of Asia and Europe. In fact from memory Kenghis Kahn said to his followers "If we can Conquer China, we can conquer the world". Such mentality also explains the Japanese foolish presistance in trying to control central China during WW2.

Also i met a old Japanese man once, he is a nice man. He said during the WW2 he was in primary school. The teacher gave the entire class an apple. The students including himself all ate the apple in a happy kiddy way. After they finished the teacher will ask the students "did the apple taste good"? The students will naturally reply "yes". Then the teacher will ask them "where did the apple come from"? Firstly the kids have no idea, then the teacher will tell them the answer "The apple came from China".

Mr_C said:

"The apple came from China".

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Great discussion.

IDonT said:

You are escalating the conflict. What is stopping Japan from attacking Chinese bases or invading islands within the Chinese EEZ?

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What do they attack with? Godzilla?

LOL.

Thanks for the laugh IDonT.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

What do they attack with? Godzilla?

LOL.

Thanks for the laugh IDonT.

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Also i met a old Japanese man once, he is a nice man. He said during the WW2 he was in primary school. The teacher gave the entire class an apple. The students including himself all ate the apple in a happy kiddy way. After they finished the teacher will ask the students "did the apple taste good"? The students will naturally reply "yes". Then the teacher will ask them "where did the apple come from"? Firstly the kids have no idea, then the teacher will tell them the answer "The apple came from China".

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Very beautiful. Is the point that the teacher was trying to counter Japanese racism towards China?

FriedRiceNSpice said:

What do they attack with? Godzilla?

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I would counsel not underestimating the JMSDF. They have, arguably, the second most powerful surface combatant Navy in the world.

And they have a very strong amphibious capability as well.

I believe before 2015 we will see them with a light carrier capability as well.

Jeff Head said:

I would counsel not underestimating the JMSDF. They have, arguably, the second most powerful surface combatant Navy in the world.

And they have a very strong amphibious capability as well.

I believe before 2015 we will see them with a light carrier capability as well.

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They have superior offensive and power-projection capabilities to the PLA. However, they could not overcome the defensive power of the PLA, nor they have stocks of ballistic and cruise missiles like the PLA does.

Jeff Head said:

I would counsel not underestimating the JMSDF. They have, arguably, the second most powerful surface combatant Navy in the world.

And they have a very strong amphibious capability as well.

I believe before 2015 we will see them with a light carrier capability as well.

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a carrier certainly does not meet the requirements of a defensive navy. it would be seen as an offensive wepon by china and taiwan(no to frindly with japs either). most likely an lpd like sk.

MIGleader said:

amost likely an lpd like sk.

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They already have three of those, with a fourth building





It is my understanding that they are looking at a BTOL, "Helicopter" carrier for the near future. building tow of them I believe.



Clearly capable of JSF operations.

Jeff Head said:

It is my understanding that they are looking at a BTOL, "Helicopter" carrier for the near future. building tow of them I believe.

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The ships are being called destroyers, but the concept art that's been handed out clearly show a full-length flight deck. They are intended to replace the existing destroyers of the Shirane and Haruna class. Those ships are more or less conventional destroyers, with 5-inch guns and ASROC forward, but a really big helicopter hanger and pad with space for three aircraft aft.

The planned displacement of the new ships is around 13,5 00 tons, with eleven helicopters. So far, only one of the ships has actually been approved and funded for construction, with the lay down date set for 2006. The second ship has been delayed so that money can be directed to other modernization programs.

You know that ship #400 has no hangar. It does have a well deck. That LPH type ship in the drawing does have a hangar.

S. Korea is building at least 3 LPH's. They refer to them as LPX...Question is..Where is the PLAN LPH? Or LPD for that matter.