Japan spots Chinese Warships
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Lavi said:
Not yet...but they are coming. Right now the best is the KDX-II class, of which they have three Here's a pic.
But trhe KDX-III class is already building, the first to be completed in 2008, and they will be very similar to the Japanese Kongo class, and the Flight IIa Burkes. Here's a pic of that design (clicking on that pic will take you to a link describing the design).
adeptitus said:
Well, I wasn't really talking in terms of total force projection with carriers, just in terms of their DDG fleet. I base my comments on the testimony of a number of US sailors that I know who have conducted exercises with both, and on the makeup of their surface combatant fleet.
Short of the Invincible class, the JMSDF combatants are more powerful, more numberous, and IMHO, more capable.
I believe the Osumi amphibs are the equal of the single Ocean and two planned Albions because they too are new and there are more of them (3 now and a total of six planned), even if they are smaller.
Once the JMSDF launches and commissions its DDH carriers, and potentially places the JSF on them, they will catch up in the carrier area as well...at least of course unti the two large UK carriers come on line.
Here's another good pic of the Osumi class:
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Excellent ships. Well trained crews. Like my son(active duty USN sonar tech) says. "Those dudes are squared away" He has had them in his class room teaching them advanced sonar technology. They have the lateet equipment. They constantly operate their ships. They make frequent trips to the US mainland, Guam and Hawaii for training. My son's says their ships are "squared away. They are clean and are in excellent operating condition according to most accounts.
I'm not sure but numbers wise don't they have the second largest navy in the world??
Plus they have P-3's patrolling the sea.
Sun Wu Kong said:They have the 2nd navy and WHAT? You think they are able to invade China mainland again. Sorry, noway even US are not able to do it. China is not Irak!
If they try to invade China, it will be very easy wipe them all from the surface of the Earth. Just explode a nuclear missile above their heads!!! Where are the 2nd fleet
There was no discussion about whether Japan will invade the Chinese mainland. SO calm down.
JMSDF do have the capability to invade those disputed islands near Taiwan and have a credible capability to stop a Chinese effort to reoccupy those islands.
Escalating to nuclear weapons is irrational.
CG of new Japanese DDH:
The British Royal Navy today still has 2 x 20,000 ton Invincible Class carriers (after HMS Invincible decommissioned this year), and are planning to replace them with 2 x 60,000 ton carriers in 2012 and 2015:
If you guys think the Japaneses sailors are "squared away", wouldn't you think the British ones are just as good?
Comparisons between Japanese & British Navy:
IMO the European PAAMS system w/Aster missiles is just as good, if not better than the Aegis system installed on Kongo. Since the Europeans designed the PAAMS system, we can assume that they're using the best production variants. If the Japanese are purchasing or licensing US systems, I suspect they're getting a downgraded variant.
The British Royal Navy today still has 2 x 20,000 ton Invincible Class carriers (after HMS Invincible decommissioned this year), and are planning to replace them with 2 x 60,000 ton carriers in 2012 and 2015:
If you guys think the Japaneses sailors are "squared away", wouldn't you think the British ones are just as good?
Comparisons between Japanese & British Navy:
IMO the European PAAMS system w/Aster missiles is just as good, if not better than the Aegis system installed on Kongo. Since the Europeans designed the PAAMS system, we can assume that they're using the best production variants. If the Japanese are purchasing or licensing US systems, I suspect they're getting a downgraded variant.
adeptitus said:
The British are good, no doubt whatsoever. Just expressed my own opinion that the JMSDF was arguably the 2nd most powerful Navy today. I still believe that when comparing their pure surface combatants...no doubt whatsoever, in my opinion.
But, that's all it is, just my opinion. Differing opinions and the discussion of such is welcome.
My own personal opinion is that the AEGIS system, as it is continuously developed with new features and capabilities (ie. the latest of which included TBM defense) is the best naval air defense system on the planet.
I have gone so far as to recommend that they consider taking the VLS cellls, packaging them for land launch, and then mating them to more powerful ground based PAR systems and E-3 Sentinels to provide a great land based, 2nd tier defense system around major cities and bases to compliment the longer range ballistic missile defenses going into Alaska right now, and later into the Dakotas
Stay on topic.......
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I agree with that statement. Did you know that immediatley after 9/11 Aegis ships were positioned on both coast of the US for air defense? Also did you know that since 9/11 Aegis ships only turm off their systems when in the shipyard for overhaul(refit)??? The system is so flexible and is constanly being upgraded.
Stay on topic.......
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bd popeye said:
They are going to have an AEGIS vessel situated in the Sea of Japan to take shots at any NKOR craziness too. The TBM capability is impressive. Three or four AEGIS vessels will be able to provide a layer of that type of defense to the whole west coast.
Not to mention its continuing vaunted conventional service as the defender of the fleet...and the carriers.
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