Japan spots Chinese Warships

Neko

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No doubt Japan would win the Senkakus.

Things that bugs me about it is that it'd make it even harder for the Ryukyu (Okinawans) to get self rule.
 

Su-27 Pilot

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IDonT said:
ARMED FORCES OF THE WORLD: China, Japan and Their Naval War



September 12, 2005: Recently, a Chinese surface group was detected by a Japanese P-3C in disputed waters near the Senkaku Islands. The group, which consisted of a Sovremenny-class destroyer, two Jianghu I-class missile frigates, a replenishment ship, and a missile observation support ship, was a reasonably powerful force. It does lead to the question: Who would prevail in a fight with Japan over the Senkaku Islands?

Such a battle would primarily involve the navies of both sides. Each operates on a different premise. Japan has a force of destroyers that are highly capable in anti-surface and anti-submarine operations. Japan’s guided missile destroyers are also highly capable anti-air vessels.

Japan has a total of 30 destroyers, nine guided-missile destroyers, and nine frigates. At least two of the older Tachikaze-class guided-missile destroyers will be replaced by the new Atago-class destroyers. Japan also has 16 modern diesel-electric submarines.

The Chinese navy is larger in numbers – carrying 25 destroyers and 45 frigates. However, of these 25 destroyers, 16 are the obsolete Luda class. The same is true for the Chinese frigates – two-thirds of them are the obsolete Jianghu-class ships. These are equipped with antiquated HY-2 missiles, which are copies of the old SS-N-2 Styx – state of the art for 1960. These days, a Styx is an easy kill for any modern surface-to-air missile. China has 65 diesel-electric submarines, but 52 of them are obsolete Romeo and Ming-class submarines. China’s Han-class SSNs are also old and noisy. Again, in terms of modern vessels, China is outnumbered.

Another factor is air cover. The disputed waters are within 300 kilometers of Okinawa. This is easily within the combat radius of the Japanese Air Self-Defense Force’s F-1, F-4EJ Kai, F-15J, and F-2 fighters. Japan has a major air base in Naha, and there is also Kadena Air Force Base, where the United States Air Force keeps a wing of F-15s. The oldest aircraft in service with Japan are the F-4EJ Kais and F-1s – the latter are being replaced by the F-2.

China’s fighters tend to be very old. The only real modern fighters are the J-11 (Russian Su-27) and the Su-30MKK (an Su-27 variant). Japan is almost at parity in terms of numbers (187 F-15J/DJs and 140 F-2s to 380 J-11/Su-30MKK in Chinese service). Japan has superb pilots as well, who get plenty of training. Chinese pilots get less flying time, although they are increasing their training.

Japan also has E-2 and E-767 airborne early warning aircraft that they have years of practice using, while China has only recently acquired Russian A-50 Mainstays.

In a straight naval-air fight over the Senkaku Islands, Japan has an advantage, even if they are on their own. While China is modernizing, Japan is not standing still, modernizing its military and keeping a qualitative edge over its larger neighbor. – Harold C. Hutchison ([email protected])

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All good points, and what about during the naval engagement PLA uses medium range cruise missiles against all Japanese Naval and Airfield in the area ??
 

MIGleader

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japan would win no doubt. but i dont think their economy would stand it any more. its already doing bad, but without china, it will fail, china dosn't need japan so much. china should also do a good deed and claim some waters for taiwan. if china won the war using unorthodox methods, it might change taiwans view aswell.
 

IDonT

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Su-27 Pilot said:
All good points, and what about during the naval engagement PLA uses medium range cruise missiles against all Japanese Naval and Airfield in the area ??


You are escalating the conflict. What is stopping Japan from attacking Chinese bases or invading islands within the Chinese EEZ?
 

tphuang

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it continually amazes me that anyone can call that AF a defensive AF. Seriously, Japan doesn't need to change its constitution. It already has a powerhouse military.
 

IDonT

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tphuang said:
it continually amazes me that anyone can call that AF a defensive AF. Seriously, Japan doesn't need to change its constitution. It already has a powerhouse military.

Actually they do. Japan is locked in to spend only 1% of its GDP on defence. Even at this percentage it is still at 60-90 billion. Imagine if they raise it up to within US levels (3-4% of GDP)
 

MIGleader

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i hust highly doubt this incident will start a war, but furthur incidents like it may trigger some conflict.
 

TJJH

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There is no point in having a strong military if your economy can't stand going to war with a potential opponent. Just look what happened to the Soviet Union.
 

MIGleader

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TJJH said:
There is no point in having a strong military if your economy can't stand going to war with a potential opponent. Just look what happened to the Soviet Union.

you saying japans economy cant stand a war, or china's?

if its japan, i agree
 
vincelee said:
the next time someone posts garbage from strategypage, please write "total bullshit" on top of the leader.

if you're getting info solely from stratpage, you have problems.

I agree. J-8IIs would wipe the sky clean of Jap fighters.
 
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