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superdog

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A few days ago, PRC Foreign Ministry has released the relevant info on ( 16 JUN Japanese F-15s running away from 2 PLAAF Su-30 ) incident to the reporters to examine closely in order to refute the Japanese claim.
I'm well aware what the MoD of PRC (not the Foreign Ministry, mind you) stated, therefore I know they didn't say anything like "3 confrontational collision style head to head flyby" or "perform a Cobra maneuver", all of which you highlighted in bold. They merely said that two Japanese F-15 instigated the conflict by closing in at high speed and using their fire control radar, and after some reactive maneuver from the Su-30, the two F-15 released flares and bailed from the confrontation. Nowhere from that MoD statement can we infer that your claims in bold happened. All we could infer from it was that the intercepting F-15s end up at a disadvantaged position after a dogfight, subsequently they choose to release flares and escape.

You are making claims that doesn't exist in either China or Japan's official statements, and you say your source is a Taiwanese TV show. How can that be taken seriously?
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
) Japan has always been sending their best and most aggressive fighter F-15J pilots ( JASDF Aggressor squadron ) to patrol their ADIZ. ~ The words ( Aggressor ) in the JASDF name is NOT an overhyped word.


Could actually provide evidence of that because the JASDF Aggressor Squadron's official name is "Tactical Fighter Training Group" their mission is to train other JASDF pilots and do not participate in day to day patrol missions. Basically they are tasked with the same mission as the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School AKA "Top Gun".
 

Blitzo

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GreenestGDP, you've already gained a reputation for making enormously ambitious and unsubstantiated claims in a number of threads related to the Chinese military, by continuing to do so among other threads as well is not going to endear you to many people simply on the basis of your poor reasoning and argumentative manner.
 

superdog

Junior Member
If you refuse or not willing or incapable to connect different dots, then you can ignore my posts.
Unfortunately what you called "connect different dots" only appears to me as extremely wild imagination and speculation that are completely disconnected from my understanding of PRC military and political reality. So I'm not going to respond to your points any further.
 

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Blackstone

Brigadier
Short answer is 'no,' because in addition to lack of manpower and political will, there's no superpower military without nukes, and it's debatable if Japan will have them in the next 20 or 30 years, even if that's, on balance, to the best interests of all of Asia, including China. Yes, China.

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Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has long dreamed of cutting the constitutional amendment that prohibits Japan from waging war.

“I am a patriot. I would think there are no politicians who are not patriots,” the stocky, tousle-haired prime minister told
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in 2014. “I say we should change our constitution now.”

Abe has previously
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a “departure from the postwar regime” in order to “bring back Japan,” arousing fear in the hearts of elderly Japanese pacifists who remember the bloody battles of World War II.

But in the face of left-wing opposition and East Asian hostility, it has appeared unlikely that Abe would ever realize his dreams — until now.

The ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) and its ally Komeito won a two-thirds majority in Japan’s upper-house election July 3, finally granting Abe a two-thirds majority in both houses of parliament and the opportunity to propose constitutional reform.

Raising his bushy black eyebrows, the triumphant prime minister
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reporters July 3 that the “LDP has held the goal of revising the Constitution since its formation, and it included that goal in its platform for governing.”

Ayako Doi, an associate fellow at the Asia Society, says Abe’s main goal has always been to revoke Article 9, the constitutional amendment the United States imposed after World War II that renounces war as a “sovereign right” of Japan.

“That was his grandfather’s wish, who was prime minister in the 1960s. In Abe’s mind, it has never been achieved,” Doi said.


If the upper- and lower-house successfully push through the proposal, a national referendum would be held that requires a majority vote to pass. The vote could go either way: an exit poll conducted by the
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newspaper showed that 49% of voters supported constitutional revision, with 44% opposed — “similar to the Brexit vote,” Doi said.

Yet constitutional revision would seem to change little in a country that boasts the fourth strongest military in the world, according to a Credit Suisse
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Japan spends $41.6 billion annually on its Self-Defense Forces, which can now legally assist the United States and other allies after Abe pushed through a 2015 law reinterpreting Article Nine.

The new interpretation marked a historic shift away from pacifist foreign policy. For the first time since World War II, Japan now has the right to engage in overseas combat assignments, if only under limited conditions.

“Abe has moved steadily to allow Japan to play a greater role in security abroad ” said
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, the director of Japan Studies at the American Enterprise Institute. “He has increased the military budget, dramatically improved Japan’s relations in Europe, and deepened an alliance with the United States.”

“The question of revision is more of a symbolic one,” he added.

The country currently
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678 tanks; 1,613 aircrafts; and 16 submarines, pulling it ahead of India, France, and South Korea in the Credit Suisse ranking. Japan is a “world leader next to the U.S. in missile capability,” said Auslin, with an “excellent navy” and an “excellent coast guard.”

The nation sports some of the most modern and advanced military equipment in all of Asia, including modern reconnaissance drones, licence-built Apache attack helicopters, and new fifth-generation fighter jets.
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calls Japan’s Self-Defense Forces the “toothless tiger:” equipped with top-notch equipment and highly trained, but prohibited from waging war.

Japan’s calls it all “Self-Defense Forces,” in part to circumvent Article 9’s pledge that “land, sea, and air forces will never be maintained.”

Abe has pointed towards this constitutional inconsistency as a reason for revision, claiming that
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of constitutional scholars believe Japan’s Self-Defense Forces violate Article 9. But in the meantime, Japan can “do all of the things it wants to do,” Doi said. “Changing the constitution will only unnecessarily alarm or irritate its neighbors.”

Japan’s neighbors may serve as the very reason its considering revision. North Korea continues to threaten nuclear warfare, while China has grown increasingly hostile in territorial disputes over the East China Sea.

“There is certainly a power rivalry going on between Japan and China in the region,” said Nicholas Szechenyi, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic International Studies. “So any steps that Japan takes to strengthen its defense will likely threaten China.”

China’s official news agency, the Xinhua, has not responded favorably to Sunday’s election results, calling Abe’s win a threat to “regional stability” as “Japan’s militarization will serve to benefit neither side.”

China’s military is ranked just ahead of Japan’s, as third strongest in the world. China has good reason to fear a stronger Japan — partnered with the U.S., the country would make a formidable foe.

Unlike Beijing, Washington would embrace constitutional revision, Doi said, because Japan could “do more to contribute to whatever conflict the U.S. gets into, in terms of military support, weapons, or equipment.”

“Of course, publicly, they would never say that,” she added.

Although Japan and the U.S. have maintained a strong relationship since World War II, a certain blond-haired, billionaire real estate mogul may be rocking the coalition. According to Doi, the rise of presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump has made the Japanese “nervous and disturbed.”

“Trump is anti-Japanese in all aspects,” Doi said. Should Japan need future protection, “there’s doubt in the Japanese mind about whether the U.S. will be willing to commit its power and money,” she added.

Constitutional reform would allow Japan to establish a stronger military and strengthen its international ties, lessening its reliance on the United States and establishing a degree of autonomy.

Yet the Japanese public are still conflicted over Abe’s call for reform. The country prides itself on its unique pacifist policies, and in 2014, there was even a push to nominate Article 9 for the Nobel Peace Prize.

“People take pride in it,” one Japanese student explained. “I think it’s our stance on being ‘peaceful’ in a way, which is a little naive.”

Abe will likely pursue constitutional revision in earnest later this year, at which point Japanese sentiment will become more clear.

“This question of revising the constitution is one that combines issues of national identity and history,” Auslin said. “Japan must find its place among the nations of the world.”
 

Janiz

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Short answer is 'no,' because in addition to lack of manpower and political will, there's no superpower military without nukes, and it's debatable if Japan will have them in the next 20 or 30 years, even if that's, on balance, to the best interests of all of Asia, including China. Yes, China.
What an in-depth analysis of Japanese geopolitical situation!

There's a Japanese term called 'galapagosization' which more or less means optimalization of certain branches of industry in the context of isolation from the world. To keep it simple - this optimalisation which leads the Japanese market products to being vulnerable to the competion coming from outside world. This means a great product for Japanese, not so much for the others.

This is also true for Japanese military industry. They produce for example tanks - and those tanks are perfect for JAPANESE environment full of urban areas and with lack of smooth as table plains. And whatever else they don't produce - they can buy from US! And if there's no US? There's problem! That's the biggest obstacle, not some foolish talks about nukes - in that aspect Japan can produce it's own capabilities in no time. You want Japanese ICBM's? You'll get those fast. But thanks to the term I introduced earlier Japanese concentrated on what? Yeah, destroying those nukes. US also likes this idea as it helps them to improve their own capabilities in some areas as well.

That's the main reason - keeping the industry under umbrella for decades and now just entering the world. This doesn't make Japanese weaker on military aspect (it's quiet the contrary - a luxury of working on your own yard and improving it year after year) but limits the overall defense industry on making money and creating work places (becoming bigger than it is to improve it's manpower capabilities).
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Developing nukes are not that difficult for Japan considering Pakistan imported various Japanese machinery like the industrial centrifuge to develop their own nuclear program. As for delivery system it's already developed, namely the Epsilon solid fuel rocket.
Japan has no ambition in becoming a superpower although will maintain a strong enough military to protect our sovereign territory and not submit to intimidation by another nation.
In the latter half of this century Japan will overcome one of her Achilles heel by transitioning into a hydrogen society.
This of course will be another "galapagosization" situation where the rest of the world will take two more decades to follow.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Developing nukes are not that difficult for Japan considering Pakistan imported various Japanese machinery like the industrial centrifuge to develop their own nuclear program. As for delivery system it's already developed, namely the Epsilon solid fuel rocket.
Japan has no ambition in becoming a superpower although will maintain a strong enough military to protect our sovereign territory and not submit to intimidation by another nation.
In the latter half of this century Japan will overcome one of her Achilles heel by transitioning into a hydrogen society.
This of course will be another "galapagosization" situation where the rest of the world will take two more decades to follow.
Yes, it would not be difficult for Japan to develop nukes, except it doesn't want to... just like it would not be difficult for me to win an Olympic gold medal except I don't want to LOL. Those are about equally believable; you either did it or you didn't do it. You simply don't say something is easy, except I haven't done it before; it doesn't make sense.

I don't know if you appreciate how amusing it is when you try to sound tough and say things like "...not submit to intimidation by another nation..." as you currently have another nation's boot on your face. If there were foreign soldiers on my national soil pushing around the locals, raping/murdering local girls, I would be far too ashamed to mention military capabilities.

And lastly, that's a funny bit, predicting that Japan will lead the world by 20 years on a technology that it's supposed to develop in about 40-50 years LOL. You're basically predicting that the technology will be successfully developed/implemented in Japan (4-5 decades of successful scientific achievement), and that in 2 more decades, no one else in the world, not China, not the US, will be able to master it. (That's a pretty powerful computer used to develop it, huh? Probably gotta be the world's fastest supercomputer or something, which, I'm sure you're thinking will be Japan's in 40 years LOL) That's about a 60-70 year prediction on technology! Gordon Chang would be really proud of your boldness if it didn't make him jealous. Out of curiosity, I don't know if you have any archives on this, but how many Japanese predicted in 1900 that in 60-70 years, Japan would be militarily colonized by the country that nuked it twice? And then, in 1950, how many Japanese predicted that in 60-70 years, communist China would relegate the US to second place in supercomputing? Just wondering about track record here. But anyway, since you're predicting 60-70 years, why not 500? It's really go big or go home when you're that far out.
 
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