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If you think that there is no deliberate intention to smear any and every piece of news coming out of China, then you obviously haven't paid attention to the 2008 Tibet Riots.

The stories I link below are personal, first-hand experiences:

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I attended the rally along with a few friends. In fact, I pretty much followed the organization of the rally on Chinese BBSes in the weeks before it. There were more than just Chinese students at the rally. There were landed immigrants and naturalized and even second generation Chinese Canadians. I saw people bringing in their entire family.

The slogans were peaceful and positive, such as "We love China", "No to Riots". The people were civilized. One young man got arrested because, get this: he tried to defend the Chinese flag from an unprovoked attack by Tibetan Separatists. I saw this with my own eyes, and there are photos on the internet to prove it.

All of the above, I saw with my own eyes. When I got home, however, I saw instead the following pieces of "journalism":



This article is filled with venomous, outright lies. Nothing much needs to be said about it.






You would think that big, mainstream news agencies like the Toronto Star and CTV would know that it's the Canadian government who issues those visas, not the Chinese government! Why was this simple fact not pointed out to those Tibetan Separatist commentators?

Finally, I'm well aware that bias exists in every news source. The problem is, while Dems and Republicans each have their mouthpiece, China has no voice in the West. Do you think Fox News can get away with the kind of outright lies and misleading reporting on Obama that we saw in the 3 articles I linked? Keep in mind that those articles are NOT commentaries or opinion pieces!

That is why we, overseas Chinese, must act as a counter-weight and point out the BS when we see it.
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Just want to say that I know of a few news writers/reporters in a local newspaper here (Probably other Asean countries as well.) that are completely neutral when it comes to reporting events/news in China. It's a nice break from those foreign media that never seems to let go the chance of being critical (most of the time in a negatively bias way) everytime they report on some news event in certain specific countries. As to why they'll only target one or more specific counrtries is another story which should be familiar to some of us.
 
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http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members-club-room/japan-earthquake-10-5530.html

I'm sure you guys have seen the above link already. This is crazy, the Fukushima accident is now on par with Chernobyl! Why was the media trying so hard to downplay the risks in the early days of the incident? Why did Japan not devote more resources into stopping this? Or ask for outside help if they did not have enough resources?

I agree with Hendrik: had this happened in China, every single news article on it would contain the word "corruption". When it happens in Japan, Western Media tries to downplay it.

I think this tragedy also shows just how poorly, despite their vast wealth, the Japanese are prepared for major disasters. Look at the 2008 Szechuan Earthquake, and the race against time to drain the quake lakes. The PLA stepped up to the game, while the Japanese dropped the ball on Fukushima.
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While the Japanese were a bit slow on fukushima, the rest of the recovery effort was as good as anyone had hoped for, imho. And don't forget the building quality also had a large factor -- they've been hit over and over again by large aftershocks and not much damage has been reported, which is something China will need to learn as it becomes a first world country.

solarz said:
If you think that there is no deliberate intention to smear any and every piece of news coming out of China, then you obviously haven't paid attention to the 2008 Tibet Riots.

The stories I link below are personal, first-hand experiences:

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I attended the rally along with a few friends. In fact, I pretty much followed the organization of the rally on Chinese BBSes in the weeks before it. There were more than just Chinese students at the rally. There were landed immigrants and naturalized and even second generation Chinese Canadians. I saw people bringing in their entire family.

The slogans were peaceful and positive, such as "We love China", "No to Riots". The people were civilized. One young man got arrested because, get this: he tried to defend the Chinese flag from an unprovoked attack by Tibetan Separatists. I saw this with my own eyes, and there are photos on the internet to prove it.

All of the above, I saw with my own eyes. When I got home, however, I saw instead the following pieces of "journalism":



This article is filled with venomous, outright lies. Nothing much needs to be said about it.






You would think that big, mainstream news agencies like the Toronto Star and CTV would know that it's the Canadian government who issues those visas, not the Chinese government! Why was this simple fact not pointed out to those Tibetan Separatist commentators?

Finally, I'm well aware that bias exists in every news source. The problem is, while Dems and Republicans each have their mouthpiece, China has no voice in the West. Do you think Fox News can get away with the kind of outright lies and misleading reporting on Obama that we saw in the 3 articles I linked? Keep in mind that those articles are NOT commentaries or opinion pieces!

That is why we, overseas Chinese, must act as a counter-weight and point out the BS when we see it.
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Well said, well said indeed.
 
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While the Japanese were a bit slow on fukushima, the rest of the recovery effort was as good as anyone had hoped for, imho. And don't forget the building quality also had a large factor -- they've been hit over and over again by large aftershocks and not much damage has been reported, which is something China will need to learn as it becomes a first world country.
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Unfortunately, it seems Fukushima will be the defining legacy of this earthquake/tsunami. Not to dismiss the high quality of Japanese buildings, which undoubtedly saved many lives, but the nuclear crisis have been dragged out for a month now. I simply can't believe nothing more could have been done in all that time.

Even worse, if things keep worsening, Fukushima won't be just a Japanese problem. It will affect neighboring countries, the marine ecosystem, and possibly the entire world.

I believe it was pointed out that Chernobyl only had one reactor. Fukushima has 6. There is a potential here for an even more devastating catastrophe than Chernobyl, and the way this crisis has progressed from "nothing to worry about", to "Chernobyl level", and that there are still people out there saying "nothing to worry about", really... that worries me.
 
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@Solarz

That is why we, overseas Chinese, must act as a counter-weight and point out the BS when we see it.
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Then I guess its ok for me to pointout B.S. in Chinese newspapers when I see it.

While in Melbourne I attended the screening of Rebiya Kadeer film. While all the protests etc leading up to the event were generally uneventful, there were some incidences involving Chinese protesters I considered a little bit over the top which went unreported. Some of things the protesters did like hacking into the Website to block people from purchasing tickets goes beyond the realm for the right to protest though.
However Chinese news reporting can also be suspect as well.
IMO the Chinese reporting had little resemblance to the event. As for the Professor who wished to be only known as Catherine , her views reminded me of something out of CCP P.R. handbook for tourists guides that they try to indoctrinate one with. Something I experienced while in China last year.

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MELBOURNE: On Saturday, 34 days after the July 5 riot in China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region that claimed 197 lives, a controversial documentary depicting Rebiya Kadeer, a notorious Chinese separatist, was screened at the Melbourne International Film Festival.
Kadeer, 62, was among the several hundred viewers at Melbourne Town Hall to watch the 53-minute "The 10 Conditions of Love."
The host at the screening had apparently expected praises and applauds at the end of the showing, but Kadeer appeared on the stage only to find that many in the audience had started to leave.............
...... Expressing deep disappointment, a university professor who identified herself as Catherine told Xinhua that the film was full of prejudices.
She said she had lived in China for two years and had been to Xinjiang, which enabled her to witness the great changes which have taken place in China and the huge progress in Xinjiang brought about by the Chinese government's preferential policies toward ethnic minorities there.................
 
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@Solarz
Then I guess its ok for me to pointout B.S. in Chinese newspapers when I see it.
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Yeah, you could, but most people regard most Chinese newspapers as biased and BS inherently anyway, but give more credence if not full faith to what the Western media project.

The difference being that people's opinions will be far more likely to be influeced if the news they receive is from Western news outlets... but in some topics at least they get it very wrong.
 
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Ok guys I get you points. And I know I contributed to the off topic discussion however >>let's ALL get back on topic. Thank you.

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Solarz you are not going to be disappointed the first shot has been fired

China state paper blasts Japan over nuclear crisis


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Beijing (AFP) April 13, 2011
Japan owes its neighbours an apology for failing to tell them about the severity of its nuclear crisis, a Chinese state newspaper said Wednesday, accusing the West of letting Tokyo off the hook.
The English-language Global Times, which has ties to the ruling Communist party, also rounded on the West for engaging in double standards by treating Japan with kid gloves due to its status as a key US ally.

The government of Prime Minister Naoto Kan "made a mistake in withholding the truth," the Global Times said in a commentary, saying Tokyo had engaged in a "cover-up" of what happened at the Fukushima Daiichi atomic plant.

"The Kan administration owes a serious official apology to neighbouring countries," it said.

Premier Wen Jiabao on Tuesday asked Kan to "promptly and accurately inform China" about developments in the crisis, state media said, after Tokyo upgraded its emergency to a maximum seven, on a par with the Chernobyl disaster.

Beijing has repeatedly asked that its neighbour be transparent about the impact of the March 11 accident at the facility northeast of Tokyo, which was triggered by a massive earthquake and subsequent tsunami.

"Surprisingly, Western governments and media have been mild-mannered toward Japan's misconduct," the Global Times said.

"Had this incident taken place in a country like China, would the US and Europe have shown such tolerance? If the crisis had happened in a Western country, would their media have been so complacent?" it added.

"A nuclear crisis is borderless, and its handling will influence the attitudes of all other nuclear states. Being selfish on a nuclear issue is appalling, and the correction of such selfishness must be swift."

Japan upgraded the emergency on Tuesday to a seven, the top level on the UN's International Nuclear Events Scale (INES). Other experts including those at France's nuclear safety agency had already boosted the rating.

A top-level emergency is defined as a "major release of radioactive material with widespread health and environmental effects requiring implementation of planned and extended countermeasures".

The disaster has sparked concern in China, where low levels of radiation have been detected in the air across the nation and on spinach grown in some parts of the country's north including Beijing.

China's government has consistently stressed that the amounts involved were far too low to pose a health hazard.
 
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Japan's opposition party want Japan's Prime Minister Naoto Kan to quit over the nuclear crisis created by the earthquake and tsunami..

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(Reuters) - Japan's fragile post-disaster political truce unraveled on Thursday as the head of the main opposition party called on unpopular Prime Minister Naoto Kan to quit over his handling of the country's natural calamities and a nuclear crisis.

At the stricken Fukushima Daiichi plant in the northeast of the country, engineers were struggling to find a new way to cool one of the six crippled reactors and Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said it was now "highly likely" there was a hole in the suppression unit of the reactor.

Kan, whose public support stands at about 30 percent, had sought a grand coalition to help the country recover from its worst ever natural disaster and enact bills to pay for the country's biggest reconstruction project since World War Two.

Kan's Democratic Party controls parliament's lower house but needs opposition help to pass bills because it lacks a majority in the upper chamber, which can block legislation.

But the head of the main opposition Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) -- who last week ruled out joining hands -- on Thursday pressured Kan to go.

"The time has come for (the prime minister) to decide whether he stays or goes," Kyodo news agency quoted Sadakazu Tanigaki as telling a news conference.

Tanigaki's comment reflects the view of many in his conservative party that Kan must step down as a precondition for any coalition as well as a hope that criticism of Kan within his own Democratic Party will gather steam after party powerbroker Ichiro Ozawa blasted the premier over his crisis management.

Upper House speaker Takeo Nishioka, a well-known Kan critic from the Democrats, also urged Kan to resign, Kyodo said.

Kan, however, who took office as Japan's fifth leader since 2006 last June, is not likely to step down readily, while opposition parties could come under fire if they try to take disaster budgets hostage in a political battle, analysts said.

"Kan will probably ignore this," said Koichi Nakano, a Sophia University professor. "If they thought of the national interests, would they (Kan's critics) do this now?"

STILL NO CLOSER TO SOLVING NUCLEAR CRISIS

Five weeks ago a massive earthquake and tsunami left nearly 28,000 dead or missing, devastated a broad swathe of northeast Japan and damaged the Fukushima nuclear plant. There has been no sign of a resolution of the atomic crisis.

The nuclear safety agency said a new plan for cooling one of six reactors at the plant, 240 km (150 miles) northeast of Tokyo, may be needed due to the large volume of highly radioactive water on site, and tests would be done to determine if damaged spent fuel rods were emitting radiation.

"It may be difficult to completely remove the contaminated water and so allow work to proceed (in restoring power to the cooling pumps). We may need to think of other options," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, a deputy director-general of Japan's Nuclear Industry and Safety Authority.

Nishiyama said there was 20,000 tones of contaminated water in the basement and a tunnel under reactor No. 2.
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"Moscow, April 12 (IANS) High levels of radiation have been detected in at least 20 cars imported from Japan to a Russian port city, a media report said Tuesday.

The cars, aboard the 'Asian Ice' ship, were held up at the Vladivostok port in Russia's far east. Tests showed that the cars had radiation 1.5 to two times the normal level, Xinhua reported citing the Itar-Tass news agency.

This is the first large shipment of cars from Japan where radiation has been detected. The cars that do not meet the safety norms will most likely be shipped back to Japan, the report said.

Intensified monitoring of the radiation situation continues in 99 stations across Russia. No radiation hazard has been forecast for Russian territories so far."
 
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