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The airframe prototype will probably being doing some static testing then. I don't know if they'd want to start flying it yet this year, though.
 
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almost, usually if some new prototype is gonna to test, the guard of the base is to be enhanced, I do not very doubt about that.
 
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Does China have any equivalent of Area 51 to test the top secret aviation technology in?

Of course, having a specialized site would mean that Washington would probably devote a whole series of satellites to watching the place.
 
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Its a waste of money is what the Chinese are thinking, putting all your high tech secretive eggs in one basket
 
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Skywatcher said:
Does China have any equivalent of Area 51 to test the top secret aviation technology in?

Of course, having a specialized site would mean that Washington would probably devote a whole series of satellites to watching the place.
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This must be news for you but that is what the CFTC does, and they have bases in the Gobi desert, which are all visible in Google Earth. Nice to see all the J-10s, J-11Bs, KJ-2000s, and J-8 testbeds all nicely lined up.
 
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I don't think the upcoming modded J-10 will be 5th generation. Rather the hi-lo mix would be 5th generation + 4.5 generation fighter.

If they add RCS reducing features to J-11B, they can do it to J-10 too. I think they can redesign it for DSI and change the single tail to double V for lower RCS. Of course upgrade the radar to AESA and add TVC version of WS-10A.
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I'm confused, how could modified J-10 to be a 4.5 gen fighter while the whole J-XX program is about the development of 4th generation fighters? Shouldn't they try to come up with a 4th gen. fighter before they get into 5th gen. stealth fighters? As far as I know, many Chinese military analysts and fans consider J-10 to be a sub-par 3rd gen fighter, with its capability somewhere between F-4 and F-16. I always thought the J-XX program is aiming for a true 4th gen. fighter that reaches the capability of planes such as F-15E and Dassault Rafale. For the stealth fighter like F-22, they PLA won't get into that after the J-XX program.
 
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kw64 said:
I'm confused, how could modified J-10 to be a 4.5 gen fighter while the whole J-XX program is about the development of 4th generation fighters? Shouldn't they try to come up with a 4th gen. fighter before they get into 5th gen. stealth fighters? As far as I know, many Chinese military analysts and fans consider J-10 to be a sub-par 3rd gen fighter, with its capability somewhere between F-4 and F-16. I always thought the J-XX program is aiming for a true 4th gen. fighter that reaches the capability of planes such as F-15E and Dassault Rafale. For the stealth fighter like F-22, they PLA won't get into that after the J-XX program.
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The J-10 is more closer to a F-16C Block50/52 than a F-4, because she's using FBW, a APG-66/68 class radar, advanced Medium range AA Missile, a glass cockpit, a modern EW suit, it's airframe is more from the 80's than the 60's, etc...

And for J-XX, it will be more a F-22 class aircraft with stealth features, supercruise, etc...
 
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kw64 said:
I'm confused, how could modified J-10 to be a 4.5 gen fighter while the whole J-XX program is about the development of 4th generation fighters? Shouldn't they try to come up with a 4th gen. fighter before they get into 5th gen. stealth fighters? As far as I know, many Chinese military analysts and fans consider J-10 to be a sub-par 3rd gen fighter, with its capability somewhere between F-4 and F-16. I always thought the J-XX program is aiming for a true 4th gen. fighter that reaches the capability of planes such as F-15E and Dassault Rafale. For the stealth fighter like F-22, they PLA won't get into that after the J-XX program.
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That is confusion in generation naming. Chinese do not count first generation, so starting with Russian/western 2nd generation. That is really clear if you look at their nomenclature - the F-4 contemporary of J-7 is 2nd generation, the J-8 is 2.5, and the sukhoi-27s, clearly superior to anything in 3rd generation and equivalent of teens, is 3rd generation. In that context, therefore, J-10 is sub-par '3rd' generation because it does not match performance of the upper-end AESA-equipped 4th genners, and came out some years later.

Hope that clears it up.
 
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