J-XX Fighter Aircraft

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Scratch

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Well trained pilots are really familiar with the high G-foreces they may encounter. Those potential black-outs and the results they may produce (lost A/C in the worst case) are known to the AirForces and they put a lot of emphasis on that training.
I think western/US(?) standarts is to withstand 6G for 30s until they move up to short moments of 9G. Modern air combat however has come to a physicly very demanding point were you have to go to the limits in some instances to survive.
And I think a pilot well knows when he can afford to fully pull the stick for a short time.
A pilot after his last flight told a story of his early years. Practicing air combat. He pulled into a steep turn and suddenly had 8.something Gs. He didn't suffer a black-out, but the F-4F allegedly didn't look exactly the same afterwards.
But, those days of a pilot outperforming the material might now be over.
Still, with good training and modern anti-G-suites, short 9G maneuvers are still possible.
 
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Scratch said:
Well trained pilots are really familiar with the high G-foreces they may encounter. Those potential black-outs and the results they may produce (lost A/C in the worst case) are known to the AirForces and they put a lot of emphasis on that training.
I think western/US(?) standarts is to withstand 6G for 30s until they move up to short moments of 9G. Modern air combat however has come to a physicly very demanding point were you have to go to the limits in some instances to survive.
And I think a pilot well knows when he can afford to fully pull the stick for a short time.
A pilot after his last flight told a story of his early years. Practicing air combat. He pulled into a steep turn and suddenly had 8.something Gs. He didn't suffer a black-out, but the F-4F allegedly didn't look exactly the same afterwards.
But, those days of a pilot outperforming the material might now be over.
Still, with good training and modern anti-G-suites, short 9G maneuvers are still possible.
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Well trained pilots are actually discouraged from going into 9G. They are trained and thought to make their "kills" as much as possible within a more tolerable G range. In fact, pilots trying to use 9G often are looked down upon and may also be limiting their career spans. 9G is supposedly for emergencies, not routine combat. With many fighters starting to really age, mainly you cannot afford new one on one replacements, the training parameters have become even stricter. There are reasons for this, among which, it dramatically shortens the life of the airframe and components onboard. The effects on the brain will always have some effect on judgement, training or not, biology has its limits.
 
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Well, I think I should have written are familiar with the effects of high G-forces they may encounter when they decide to do so.
I agree that 9G turns shouldn't be a standard procedure since it also always bleeds off a lot of energy, wich is not a good thing in air-combat anyway.
Still, they may come in a situiation where they have to use the full potential. And then they should know how it feels like.
So I think if one does aircraft handling characteristics, or something similar, he might probably try a 9G maneuver to know what that feels like.
 
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crobato said:
Well trained pilots are actually discouraged from going into 9G. They are trained and thought to make their "kills" as much as possible within a more tolerable G range. In fact, pilots trying to use 9G often are looked down upon and may also be limiting their career spans. 9G is supposedly for emergencies, not routine combat. With many fighters starting to really age, mainly you cannot afford new one on one replacements, the training parameters have become even stricter. There are reasons for this, among which, it dramatically shortens the life of the airframe and components onboard. The effects on the brain will always have some effect on judgement, training or not, biology has its limits.
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I recall a Kanwa interview with some ROC Airforce intellegence officer, claiming that the PLAAF pilot are not training too little, more the contrary, they are training too much and too hard, stressing out the new fighter jets.
 
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That's true. They are overstressing---for a while. It seems that however, the hours have backed down under 200 (180 to 120 seems to be the range now). Probably after a string of accidents to home in the point. In China and the rest of Asia, an airforce accident may not only mean killing the pilot or his copilot, but there are much greater chances in this region of the world than in the US, that aircraft can crash into a populated area and kill more people.

For safety reasons, you understand that in the civilian business, there is a maximum number of flight hours per year alloted for airline pilots.
 
AssassinsMace

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Can anyone read or have better copies of these pages. The site I got these from says it's a J-14. It looks like a cross between a FC-1 and an F-35. It supposedly says that it has flown already. Does anyone know if this is legit or some fanboy mag?
 
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daveman

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I certainly hope those are photos of real, working prototypes of the Jxx, but without the name of that magazine, we can't deicde the validity of the source.
 
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zyun8288

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IMHO, it's not real. The closest thing to this is delayed and may not even take to sky next year, let alone carring such a huge pay load.
 
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Why bother with stealth if you are going to hang all the weapons on the outside?
 
Roger604

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In my opinion, it's a real aircraft. The title says that it is a new version of the FC-1 / JF-17.

Remember sometime ago, a Pakistani military official was talking about how Pakistan was also thinking of procuring a jet fighter that is better than FC-1 / JF-17? At the time, we all assumed they were talking about the J-10. It's possible that they were in fact discussing this improved fighter!

If this design had two engines, internal bay and canards, I think it would be very close to the Chengdu stealth fighter being developed right now.
 
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