J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31 thread

[totenchan]

J-20 is also easy to mass produce and we know that because production rate has already reached 100 a year. And it's likely they are still expanding its production.

100 a year is really not all that many, and if there actually is a shift to the WS-15 incoming, iirc the rumors were that production rate was likely to drop temporarily. And the emphasis on new production methods is something that has been emphasized about the J-35 since the FC-31 days.

We also do know that CCAs will have to be a larger % of PLAAF going forward.

Sorry, but until we see one of the CCAs actually flying, and get some idea of how they are supposed to be integrated into the PLAAF I will assume that they are a less mature program than the J-35, which has several flying examples and is rumored to have already been delivered to a unit for testing. CCA is also the name of an American program, we don't have any idea of what the PLAAF intend with its UCAV programs, so equivocating them doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't necessarily believe that the land based version is actually going to reach some arbitrary goal of 1000 units, but assuming that its some sort of stop gap or half-measure seems premature.

 

[mangchaocs]

LMAO~~It's so funny that I just had to post it.



Here is the translation：

"Purchasing a large number of F-16 A/B fighters as "killers" for stealth aircraft is an extremely wise choice.

In modern aerial combat, the maneuverability of a fighter is crucial, especially in high-probability evasions after beyond-visual-range missile attacks. Air combat often develops into close-quarters dogfighting dominated by aircraft cannons. Under loads of up to 9G, the outcome depends on the aircraft's rigidity and structural stability, where the number and quality of rivets play a key role. Excellent maneuverability at supersonic speeds—such as leaf-like fluttering, rolling, and steep climbs—not only make for impressive airshow performances but are also vital in real combat scenarios.

In contrast, some designs based on copying Western air combat game models, such as the J-35 produced with "cost down" printing technology, have not adopted traditional rivet structures. Instead, they are equipped with the criticized, degraded RD-33 engines, which frequently suffer from black smoke issues. Under high-load 9G maneuvers, these models often break apart in the air. Besides their low cost and maintenance, as well as higher maneuverability due to the reinstallation of cannons, they have few other advantages. As for the J-20, it doesn't even have basic cannons, making it incapable of fulfilling the requirements for dogfighting.

In terms of overall performance, these so-called "national treasures" fall far short of India’s "Tejas" fighter, reflecting the significant gap in technical accumulation and real combat capability."

 

[Alfa_Particle]

LMAO~~It's so funny that I just had to post it.

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Here is the translation：

"Purchasing a large number of F-16 A/B fighters as "killers" for stealth aircraft is an extremely wise choice.

In modern aerial combat, the maneuverability of a fighter is crucial, especially in high-probability evasions after beyond-visual-range missile attacks. Air combat often develops into close-quarters dogfighting dominated by aircraft cannons. Under loads of up to 9G, the outcome depends on the aircraft's rigidity and structural stability, where the number and quality of rivets play a key role. Excellent maneuverability at supersonic speeds—such as leaf-like fluttering, rolling, and steep climbs—not only make for impressive airshow performances but are also vital in real combat scenarios.

In contrast, some designs based on copying Western air combat game models, such as the J-35 produced with "cost down" printing technology, have not adopted traditional rivet structures. Instead, they are equipped with the criticized, degraded RD-33 engines, which frequently suffer from black smoke issues. Under high-load 9G maneuvers, these models often break apart in the air. Besides their low cost and maintenance, as well as higher maneuverability due to the reinstallation of cannons, they have few other advantages. As for the J-20, it doesn't even have basic cannons, making it incapable of fulfilling the requirements for dogfighting.

In terms of overall performance, these so-called "national treasures" fall far short of India’s "Tejas" fighter, reflecting the significant gap in technical accumulation and real combat capability."

It's sarcastic... I think.