J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31 thread

defenceman

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Hi,
may be sometime in near future with powerful compact Nuclear,
batteries might be possible to fly these kind of without engine fuel
or combustion smoke etc
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Gloire_bb

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Remember the J-35 is still in LRIP so it is still comparatively expensive.

Give it a few years and a J-35A might get to $50-60 Mn
Traditional reminder to look at life cycle prices (and workloads) not just procurement pricetag.

Otherwise it's the su-30 noob trap - attractive pricetag is like honey, attracting politicians with a bargain for a huge powerful fighter. Even Armenia bought a few for parades

But then, few countries could actually afford its flight hour price (and maintenance hours per flight hour) without affecting training and operations, China among them.

Since j-35:j-20 pair maintains similar ratios to mig-29:su-27 pair, expecting a similar ratio of maintenance is not unreasonable. And it's massive, difference is several times.

If it's true, same effort (and fuel) will get you x2-x3 sorties of the high end bird. Possibly within same amount of time, too.

Airfleet might isn't just production numbers, it's sortie generation. The same things that make j-20 powerful add more work load on the ground.
 

iBBz

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I'm guessing the F-35 style horizontal stabilisers are better for stealth than the previous one?
You are right, because the F-35 style stabilizer is mounted to the rear side of the fuselage, and that allows the sides to be entirely chined and the rear side where the actuator sits, to be tapered, which means no reflection back to the radar from all sides concerning the stabilizer. The F-22 style mount requires the sides to have some flat surfaces where the shaft comes out of the fuselage and connects to the stabilizer. The same can be observed in the case of the J-20 canards. Where that flat surface points depends on whether the stabilizer is anhedral or dihedral.
 

taxiya

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Horizontal tail design looks possibly different to what the J-35 has?

More specifically, the J-35 (naval variant) has a pair of non-moving tail booms and the horizontal tails are attached to the outside of the tail booms. This picture of the J-35A looks like it could be that the horizontal tail and the back end of the tail booms are one single piece that pivots together, similar to what the F-35 has (pic attached)
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This would align with a few online comments I’ve seen that mentions the horizontal tail design of the J-35A as well as that one paper from 601 years back that discussed something called “自平衡铰链平尾” or roughly “self-balancing hinge-type horizontal tail” (pic from paper also attached)

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That "F-35" style was used by FC-31 v1 (31001), later version v2 and J-35 does not use it. From the look it seems to me that J-35A does not use it either. If this style has some big advantage, why would v2 and J-35 turned away from it?

The design addressed the bulkiness of Flanker's implementation, but did not argue whether this design is limited to installation like 31001/F-35 style.

[add] I aknowledge that Flankers have the same style as 31001/F-35, and look at the diagram it seems it can only be mounted in such manner.
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Schwerter_

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That "F-35" style was used by FC-31 v1 (31001), later version v2 and J-35 does not use it. From the look it seems to me that J-35A does not use it either. If this style has some big advantage, why would v2 and J-35 turned away from it?

The design addressed the bulkiness of Flanker's implementation, but did not argue whether this design is limited to installation like 31001/F-35 style.

[add] I aknowledge that Flankers have the same style as 31001/F-35, and look at the diagram it seems it can only be mounted in such manner.
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I would beg to differ concerning the point that this hinge design will not be used on the J-35A, but as of right now none of us know which one (if any) of the 2 jets currently at Zhuhai is the LRIP one, so probably we just need to wait a bit. The way I see it, the pivot design that 31003, the naval variant and one of the J35As uses is more of a low risk, low potential reward solution that is quick and easy to implement, while the hinge design that first appeared on 31001 and later (probably improved, but I’m just guessing) on the other J35A seems to be something more novel and has advantages if done well.

Also, that research paper excerpt states that the 2 horizontal tail designs depicted (one apparently for 31001 and the other for flanker) are different styles, so not 100% sure what you meant by the last paragraph.



edit: just checked and the paper from Wang Xiangming that we both quoted is from 2020, well after the time of 31001 so it’s pretty safe to assume that it’s either completely new or an improvement upon 31001’s hinge-type horizontal tail. The timing also might explain why it’s not on the naval variant and possibly even one of the shown J35As. Hear me out:

By 2020 the naval variant should be already pretty far into its design phase, possibly having had its design finalized and having started production of the first prototypes, which meant that Shenyang would be hard-pressed to incorporate this new design element into the model, especially if the Navy is in a bit of a hurry to get things going and to acquire their own 5th gen jets, which we can pretty confidently assume they are.

As to the J35A with the pivot-type horizontal tail, I have only guesses. Currently my head canon is that that particular jet is an earlier (possibly even the first) prototype for the Air Force variant, and was somewhat rushed out to start flight testing and validating design elements not concerning the horizontal tail design (e.g. the new 3D printed wing spars without the folding mechanism). If at the start of this prototype’s building phase the new tail hasn’t yet been finalized then it makes at least some sense that the design team would just simply reuse the naval variant’s horizontal tail to save some time. I cannot explain why the same design change is not present on the naval variant, but maybe that’s due to customer request, or some obscure advantages/disadvantages of either design in edge cases, or some other reason that I cannot guess.

Anyways, having said all that, this is only my own take on the issue and is clearly far from totally convincing or without flaw. I’m happy to discuss and to admit Im mistaken if that should turn out to be the case.
 
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