J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

[ChongqingHotPot92]

not surprised....SAC is known for anything but creativity

Well the J-35 program is a nice chance for Shenyang to break out of its Sukhoi fetish cycle. Otherwise from J-11B to J11D, everything is stuck with a 1980s Soviet design (which of course is good, but not enough for future great power wars).

 

[Raymond]

This is interesting but I'm not quite calling it yet -- the placement of J-35 in brackets when preceded by "new generation carrierborne fighter aircraft" is either there because the aircraft type is new (and therefore using J-35), or the J-35 is placed there by whoever in the university made the poster as a commonly circulated name for the aircraft.
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If Mr Sun himself uses the J-35 designation then that would basically seal it, but at this stage I'm not yet sure if this is the university organizer taking some liberties.

Didn't the US jump from F-22 to F-35? Or Russia did even more spectacularly from Su-57 all the way to Su-75?

So I suppose the Chinese is merely keeping up with the competition. LOL.

In fact, Russia led with the "5th generation" fighter aircraft designation, the American quickly follows suit in reclassifying its fighter aircraft generations. As of now, the Chinese is still hopeless stuck with the "4th generation" fighter aircraft as their latest generation.

Talk about what's in a name.

I hope China won't play jet designation inflation game like US and Russia did. China has a very clear designation system: J-X for the 1st/2nd generation fighters, J-1X for the 3rd generation, J-2X for the 4th generation. J-2X (maybe J-21) will be a more reasonable designation for FC-31v3. Besides, there's already a F-35 in the world, which may be the weakest 4th-generation fighter. There's no reason to copy such designation. If Chinese really want to copy a designation, let's choose a better prototype, like J-22

 

[PiSigma]

I'm actually pretty confused about the Chinese naming system. All the CAC products are single number followed by a letter. Like J-7A-zzzzz and J10A/B/C. Where as SAC's started with J11, then got the A behind it. But J15 and J16, following the Russian method of giving a new number to every new mod. Then they introduce J15D and J16D... Wth

 

[ZZY1977]

I'm actually pretty confused about the Chinese naming system. All the CAC products are single number followed by a letter. Like J-7A-zzzzz and J10A/B/C. Where as SAC's started with J11, then got the A behind it. But J15 and J16, following the Russian method of giving a new number to every new mod. Then they introduce J15D and J16D... Wth

J11 is localized Su27, J15 is localized Su33, J16 is totally localized, all aircraft avionics system are different.
J15D and J16D, D is the abbreviation of Dianzi, means Electronic warfare, not model D. It's a Electronic warfare aircraft, like EA18G Growler

 

[PiSigma]

J11 is localized Su27, J15 is localized Su33, J16 is totally localized, all aircraft avionics system are different.
J15D and J16D, D is the abbreviation of Dianzi, means Electronic warfare, not model D. It's a Electronic warfare aircraft, like EA18G Growler

I know where these numbers come from. Technically J16 is basically Chinese Su30. But all of these are flankers... Which are all based on Su27, so in the CAC case would just get a letter or two behind it.

 

[taxiya]

I hope China won't play jet designation inflation game like US and Russia did. China has a very clear designation system: J-X for the 1st/2nd generation fighters, J-1X for the 3rd generation, J-2X for the 4th generation. J-2X (maybe J-21) will be a more reasonable designation for FC-31v3. Besides, there's already a F-35 in the world, which may be the weakest 4th-generation fighter. There's no reason to copy such designation. If Chinese really want to copy a designation, let's choose a better prototype, like J-22

I agree with everything else, but have to point out that the first digit in J-1X (not very sure of J-2X) is not meant for generation. PLA aircraft so far goes by simple number increments.

1. There was Nanchang J-12 which was a development after J-6, lighter and simpler than J-7. It was never introduced because J-7 was better.



2. J-13, both SAC and CAC proposed their designs, but J-13 development was stopped in 1981 to save money. J-13's design requirement was somewhere between J-8 and later J-10.

This is why there are many holes in the J series. I think we can ccount every number up to 17.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I agree with everything else, but have to point out that the first digit in J-1X (not very sure of J-2X) is not meant for generation. PLA aircraft so far goes by simple number increments.

1. There was Nanchang J-12 which was a development after J-6, lighter and simpler than J-7. It was never introduced because J-7 was better.

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2. J-13, both SAC and CAC proposed their designs, but J-13 development was stopped in 1981 to save money. J-13's design requirement was somewhere between J-8 and later J-10.

This is why there are many holes in the J series. I think we can ccount every number up to 17.

If I am not mistaken this J-12 is the one stored at a museum in NUAA. I recognize it from the trees/building in the background.

That said, we have gone way off topic here. This is a J-35 thread.

 

[taxiya]

OT

 

[Raymond]

I agree with everything else, but have to point out that the first digit in J-1X (not very sure of J-2X) is not meant for generation. PLA aircraft so far goes by simple number increments.

1. There was Nanchang J-12 which was a development after J-6, lighter and simpler than J-7. It was never introduced because J-7 was better.

View attachment 78887

2. J-13, both SAC and CAC proposed their designs, but J-13 development was stopped in 1981 to save money. J-13's design requirement was somewhere between J-8 and later J-10.

This is why there are many holes in the J series. I think we can ccount every number up to 17.

Yeah, J-1X doesn't mean for new generation. But coincidentally, J-10 is China's first number for 3rd generation fighter. There's no J-17/18/19. J-20 stands for new generation fighter, which already got official confirmation. There is a '20' family in PLAAF including J-20, Y-20, Z-20 and H-20. All of them stand for 'new generation' of different types of jets.
Besides, J series fighters start from J-5 to celebrate the first 5-year plan of PRC. And there's no J-14 because the number pronunciation is close to 'dead' in Chinese.

 

[Xizor]

Short and not very informative review.

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Not just uninformative but with errors.
He mentions that the in development fighter has got the WS-13 E engines replaced by WS-19 engines. How come?
Whoever writes Hushkit must improve their research. I like the interviews and history write ups at Hushkit but this is a poor show.

I won't comment on the pinch of bias that is applied to anything non-western equipment. I don't like being naive.