J-20... The New Generation Fighter III
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Shaping perhaps only in nacelles better , but the if the F-35 carries a radar that detects and Jam the F-22 then what is the purpose of better shaping if you get lower kinematics? why do you think the F-35 has rounded nacelles? the F-35 will detect the J-20 and at the end has HMS and AIM-9Xs, the T-50 has IRST track systems that can locate targets at long distances an has excellent kinematics try to catch a T-50, let us see if it is easy.
Do not overblown the China`s threat, the J-20 is a good aircraft but has nothing to say overwhelms the other fifth generation fighters, specially the T-50 and F-22 and not even the F-35
That is assuming the J-20 does not have an IRST or EODAS like sensors, and its radar is significantly inferior, and also that the shaping detracts from the aircraft's kinematics. With suitable engines there is nothing to suggest that. We've been over this before. And China has one of the world's greatest electronics industry's and avionics if anything is the chinese aerospace industry's strong point.
J-20 will have high off bore sight PL-10s and almost all Chinese fighters have HMS these days even J-7Es.
Besides I'm not talking about the capabilities of the aircraft but rather the stealth shaping. Nothing you said has rebutted this claim.
I'm not overblowing the J-20 or saying it can overwhelm 5th generation fighters like T-50 or F-22. It has better shaping than F-35 and PAK FA, that's all I'm saying.
MiG-29
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i do not know what radar the J-20 has but if you claim the J-20 is close to the F-22, well the APG-81 already detects the F-22, with better stealth than the J-20, so what is your point?
To scape AIM-120s or Meteor you need speed and the F-35 has IRST systems and DAS
I see the logic why the americans cancelled the F-22 if you see that point, it means shaping alone can not guarantee undetectability, and the Russians claim their new S-400s and S-500 will down stealth aircraft.
That was my point. What makes you think J-20 or T-50 radars can not detect F-22 or F-35?
I shall repeat my point: J-20 has better shaping than F-35 and PAK FA, that's all I'm saying, and all I've ever said. You seem to have a problem with this.
I never said shaping alone will guarantee VLO but it is certainly the most important physical aspect. You can improve the avionics, change the RAM but it's difficult to change the shaping. Interpret that how you will.
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MiG-29
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All these fighter will fight at close ranges, the PAKFA was built with excess agility, and the F-35 with excess avionics, the F-35 is not good for agility but can kill with AIM-9Xs.
the age of close combat is still present and the reality is none posses a real advantage, in fact i like the F-35 because it brings soimething many do not understand the large quantities.
The F-35 is slightly better than the F-18 in agility but has better stealth and better avionics.
The J-20 is not going to be built in number of 500 that is a madness, China as well as Russia will need to develop a F-35 equivalent or build a six geenration fighter sooner than the US if theyw ant to compete with the F-35.
Europe and the US are working hard in stealth UCAVs, the F-35 will bring the stealth to F-18 and F-18 type platforms in teh same numbers.
All 5th generation fighters F-22, F-35, PAK FA and J-20 will have high off boresight missiles and powerful avionics, and all apart from F-35 will have great kinematics.
It's not impossible that the eventual production capacity could eventually get close to 500.
And everyone from the Americans to the Indians are working on stealthy UCAVs.
Again I do not see how your post is a relevant reply to mine.
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the US has a large economy, the average american has a high PPP income per capita, China won`t spend billions of dollars while ist population remains having low living standards, China will built perhaps 200 of these jets and just develop a light version.
200? I think there is a minimum of 300 which will be built and a maximum of 500.
I imagine J-20 will be a good deal cheaper than F-22 too.
Is it impossible for the PLAAF to have a need and the budget to procure 500 J-20s eventually? No it's perfectly possible given the growth of the Chinese economy and the simultaneous growth of the military budget and the PLAAF's capabilities.
Will the PLAAF procure 500 J-20s? Who knows.
Do I think they will? Not at this moment.
Is it possible? Yes it is possible.
Kthxbai
I imagine J-20 will be a good deal cheaper than F-22 too.
Is it impossible for the PLAAF to have a need and the budget to procure 500 J-20s eventually? No it's perfectly possible given the growth of the Chinese economy and the simultaneous growth of the military budget and the PLAAF's capabilities.
Will the PLAAF procure 500 J-20s? Who knows.
Do I think they will? Not at this moment.
Is it possible? Yes it is possible.
Kthxbai
MiG-29
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Look the chinese J-20 are expensive even for Chinese standards, 200 is a pretty much alrge number, scond even China growing let say to the level of the EU in 2020, the living standards of chinese will be lower and the raw materials are usually priced in dollars or Euros, so China will certianly built 200 up to 2030, by that time the F-22 fleet will be 25 years old and the F-35 19 years old.
You also are nota aware the F-35 is an international program, that not a US program, it is a NATO sponsored program, the T-50 is Russia-India program.
China will develop most likely a cheap stealth fighter a F-35 type aircraft, but still China can not compete with NATO, Russia and India also can not compete with NATO.
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