J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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latenlazy

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Alright, by "they" you mean the nozzles, I think. And I can agree to that. But doesn't it look to you that the section of the airframe towards the nozzles is now different (giving a different profile)?
Nope. Comparing it to other pics of the same angle for 2001 and 2002, they look the same...
 

Air Force Brat

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Well, I was just going to post my new finding as to the J-2003 or whatever it is and I saw this post of yours... Now my finding is that this new bird's rear section (towards the enine nozzles) has been modified (Or is it that the engine nozzles are larger?)! Either way, the rear section of the aircraft now looks a bit more slender than before, having a smoother transition to the nozzles.

I also thought the nozzle covers stuffed in the pipes look larger? so well anyway that was also my first impression looking at that pic, but the nozzles are infinetly variable within their range to optimize thrust at different power settings.
 

latenlazy

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I also thought the nozzle covers stuffed in the pipes look larger? so well anyway that was also my first impression looking at that pic, but the nozzles are infinetly variable within their range to optimize thrust at different power settings.

They also looked like they were sticking out a bit, so it could just be a perspective thing.
 

FarkTypeSoldier

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You know as well as I do why we bother with these grainy pictures, we're all still little boys at Christmas, I "finally acquired a light green camo, mk IV Spitfire, made by Cox. I recieved this same aeroplane for Christmas 1966, I am leaving the gear off of it, and going to hang it up in our bedroom when I get enough courage" the light green camo Cox Spitfire is the prettiest of all the cox flying models and is particularly gorgeous with the gear up, and yes I am spoiled and yes I was dying to get off the Liaoning, and get back to the J-20, I always save this thread for desert and open it last, soooooo, is it 2003, or aint it? Ok PLAAF, the PLAN has shared their CV with the faithfull , don't we on the J-20 thread deserve the same consideration? Ya don't wan't those Navy guys hogging all the attention, and the Mullah? So lets get 2003 out of the dark hangar? before I spread and internet rumor that you have actually reverse engineered a Raptor, and I know you have anyway.

:) I think the J-21 protos are sexy beasts from every aspects except the engine noozles; I hope one of these days the nozzles are changed into "C" shaped nozzles like the Raptor! The Chinese do surprise everyone. Agreed? Of course they gotto perfect their WS-10 first thing first.
 

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This is definitely 2003, unless they changed the nose on 2002.

That is not an impossibility.
And the photo they use for 2003/X is not comparable with 2001 and 2002 because 2003/X was taken at a much different angle. (in fact it seems to have been stretched somewhat to "accomodate" the 2001 and 2002 photos)


I really want to see what this plane looks like once it flies.

I'm not fully convinced that the window on the nose in front of the cockpit is for an IRST. It doesn't quite seem big enough for a faceted IRST like F35. Unless the go for a russian style ball IRST, but I doubt CAC will put a monstrosity on there which could hamper the plane's VLO like the PAK FA prototypes. I say the space isn't big enough for a faceted IRST because I think most sensors like that are able to orientate itself in different directions. A ball mounting allows the sensor to orientated (gimballed?) but you need to put a stealthy casing around it with sufficient space if you want it aboard a VLO plane. You can see how big the F-35's IRST ("EOTS") casing is in comparison to the sensor itself

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If we look at how big the opening for the J-20's "IRST" is in front of the cockpit, it just doesn't seem big enough to have a stealthy IRST that is also movable.

BUT, such an opening could be for an EODAS like system instead, which is basically your traditional IRST, only it faces in one direction, but there are multiple placed around the aircraft giving continuous 360 surveillance around the plane.
Obviously it would be best if a plane features both an EODAS system and an IRST as the latter ususaly offers additional functions in addition to the passive sensor role, such as laser designation, rangefinding etc, and can be retrained on a specific target which EODAS doesn't quite offer.

I will be very interested to see if this prototype does feature the EODAS windows onboard once it flies; there's been much speculation as to the potential placement of the sensors around J-20's airframe itself, and many have speculated the "black diamond" shapes around the J-20's nose could be potential spots. But any other "black diamonds" on the rest of the plane (if any exist) have yet to be identified.
 

Lion

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:) I think the J-21 protos are sexy beasts from every aspects except the engine noozles; I hope one of these days the nozzles are changed into "C" shaped nozzles like the Raptor! The Chinese do surprise everyone. Agreed? Of course they gotto perfect their WS-10 first thing first.

I think they already perfect this 4 gen engine. We have seen large amount of J-11B photo release by PLA daily website equip with WS-10 engine. Next step will be making WS-15 operational.
 

SteelBird

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Wonder if this TV report can be considered as a formal confirmation of the third prototype J-10

[video]http://v.ifeng.com/v/jflp/index.shtml#cdae61bb-7c2b-4bd8-aa75-5285a918de37[/video]
 
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