So let me see mig, I'm so old, with your new fighter math equation you can predict how well any aircraft will do in a combat situation by its model designation. OK so see how I do with the mig 29 new math fighter predictor equation, [figured with the super duper fighter equation predictor ring], sold only in 20 oz boxes of cracker jacks in South LA on Wednesdays. OK, now F-15 is 3.1 times better than F-4, ok good so far, mig 23 is 1.5 times better than an F-15 and slightyly edges an F-22, and the mig25 is 1.71 times better and the Su-27 is almost 2 times better and the mig 31 is 2.07 times better than an F-15, so since that is so the J-20, J models are slightly better than F models which means the F-22 and the J-20 are approximate equals, [ How'm I doin so far? pretty good huh guys] and the T-50 is 2.5 times better than the J-20, and 2.6 times better than the F-22, unless it is block 2.0 and then its only .05 times better. I hope you guys like this, because I have stayed up the last three nights trying to calculate this on the russian fighter factor decoder toothbrush, where you have to count the red bristles and blue bristles and multiply that by 3.14. OK mig I give up, I will buy that last box of 20 oz, cracker jacks for 50 bucks, but the decoder ring better be in there!
Oh yeah an mig 31 will only win the weapon race if it is downhill, F-15 will win the weapon race uphill!
Brat
You are entitled to your opinion, but you have to see because you rate american aircraft and pilots very high it does not mean everyone does
see from the article titled
СУ-27 против F-15
that translate as Su-27 versus F-15
В ближнем бою у менее маневренного F-15C шансов уцелеть было немного. По сообщениям индийского командования, таким образом американцы были "сбиты" не менее 20 раз
It says "the less manouvrable F-15 in close combat was beat no less than 20 times by the indian pilots"
А уж встреча в учебном воздушном бою в августе 1992 г. двух Су-27УБ и "Иглов" с авиабазы Лэнгли, закончившаяся полным разгромом американцев, стала для них поистине "контрольным выстрелом в голову".
it says in 1992 the Su-27 beated F-15 in the US
i mean you have to acknowledge there is always some degree of subjectivity but also you have to admit, each nation has different view, the Russians do not share the american claims.
Same will be the Chinese, they have a fighter J-10 that very likely is as good as Gripen, very competitive with F-16 and MiG-29.
J-20 must be the same, it must be a good aircraft.
As a historian you have to acknowledge what did happen with the less of subjectivity, in my opinion, i read in the 1980s, the MiG-29 was less capable than F-16 and F-15, that was what was written, later in the late 1980s and 1990s they changed that perception to the MiG-29 has superiority in close combat over F-15 and F-16, the Russians say that too.
В учебных боях с американскими самолетами участвуют не только наши пилоты. Раз 5-6 в год в Америку летают пилоты немецких люфтваффе на МиГ-29, доставшихся им от ГДР. Итог этих боев предсказуем - МиГи "рвут" американские истребители, словно "тузик грелку".
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Then why MiG-29 has been shot? well poor training, low maintainance and less updates and has faced more updated F-15s and F-16s with inferiority in numbers, plus the west does not acknowledge loses in air to air.
J-20 perhaps will follow the same path, early 2010 decade, it will be rate bellow F-22 as you do now, later the perception might change publicly, because the US knew the Su-27 was superior to F-15 since it first came, that is the reason they built F-22 but they always tried to sustain a aura of invencibility.
If you read the following extract you will see
В целом, по мнению Харчевского, «Игл» по маневренным характеристикам уступает Су-27 и МиГ-29. По
оценке другого летчика ЦБПиГШС, маневренные возможности «Игла» более всего соответствуют аналогичным возможностям самолета МиГ-23МЛД.
It was a Russian pilot who said F-15 is closer to MiG-23MLD than to Su-27 or MiG-29 in maneouvrability
