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I find it unbelievable that some can't tell the difference. The J-20 has the big chin which if they painted some jaws on it with those DSI bumps would give it a big grin coming up anyone's six.
J-20... The New Generation Fighter III
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Can't believe no one in sinodefence noticed it until I, the EagleEye(note: no pop), took a closer look:
The glass cookpit reflects the the cookpit layout!
Let Speeder a.k.a. EagleEye present you the detailed layout of J-20 cookpit:
On the top left : 1 big square LCD screen.
On the top right: 2 smaller half-sized LCD screens
On the bottom: 2 big square LCD screens.
QED!
I could stay home if I wanted to watch television. The big screen is playin "Top Gun" reruns, soon to be playing "Top Gun II, with Tom Cruise and the F-35". Watch your six eagle eye, those are state secrets little bro. On a serious note as an old Air Force Brat, I don't really like my attitude indicator on a flat screen, and I find the Hud confusing when I am inverted in Flight Sim X, some of the later analog instruments seemed to jump out at you, and were for me, much easier to interpret, any body flying the real thing have any thoughts?
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He's probably using a web translator software. To read this kind of English, you'd better know a little of the original language the translation is based upon. But I couldn't figure out what "crab" here refers to... 横行、横向运动？
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Danger signe, Brat! That says that someone is getting old...
We wouldn't be if it wasn't incomprehensible gibberish. This is worse than Military of China, force comment. There is a time for google translate, and there is a time for not posting an article. This is one of those latter times.
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Run on sentence is a problem invented by the devil! Begone! BEGONE MS WORD SCHOOL OF GRAMMAR!
Anyway, reading the two, it's clear to me which one of them gets the beam in the eye (and it's beam! DEATH TO THE NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION! It is of the Devil!)... and it isn't the other fella.
Lateral movement, slip, J20 does not use ready-made similar to F22 as the traditional aerodynamic layout, instead of using the canard aerodynamic layout, is in pursuit of high mobility.
long fuselage design is intended to be useful for high-speed flight, it is in order to make up for the inadequate level of engine technology, with the development of high performance vector engine development, combine the two, mobility increases, but increases the complexity of flight control, flight control programming can produce more complex flight action.
The design is bold, it is a collection of many previously validated the theory and design ideas, but these design ideas never dare to really put into practice.
long fuselage design is intended to be useful for high-speed flight, it is in order to make up for the inadequate level of engine technology, with the development of high performance vector engine development, combine the two, mobility increases, but increases the complexity of flight control, flight control programming can produce more complex flight action.
The design is bold, it is a collection of many previously validated the theory and design ideas, but these design ideas never dare to really put into practice.
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Amazing. We've long heard of the cobra maneouvre. Now, we're starting to hear of the crab maneourvre.
Differential canard + differential vertical tail + vector propulsion.
If the engine \ materials \ pilot physical quality is good enough, can do almost anything you can do, if it is unmanned, motor performance can be better, but there is a limit of human physiology
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Because of operational object is a stealth aircraft, so the dog fighting performance must be put in the first, because from the frontal flight, are not able to find each other. But the real find each other, they entered the visual stage combat, directly into the dog fights, so is specifically to kill F-22 and 35design
If the engine \ materials \ pilot physical quality is good enough, can do almost anything you can do, if it is unmanned, motor performance can be better, but there is a limit of human physiology
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Because of operational object is a stealth aircraft, so the dog fighting performance must be put in the first, because from the frontal flight, are not able to find each other. But the real find each other, they entered the visual stage combat, directly into the dog fights, so is specifically to kill F-22 and 35design
I have said much of this myself Jr. the J-bird is a very signifcant design for the PLAAF and a beautifull airplane and unique in many innovations. As others have pointed out the forward fuse looks F-22ish with the exception of the distant coupled canards, and the rear fuse wing and verts bear a striking resemblance to the mig 1.42/1.44. I have 0 prob with this, nor should anyone else unless their intelectual property has been "borrowed". "Collection" is a great word here and please, don't take offensed guys. The F-22 will still, and in the forseeable future, be the turnin burnin little fool, and the true "Ninja", Yes I would like to copyright that word when used in relation to fifth gens fighter. I think you are doing a good job of assessing the various capabilities, and your posts are much more readable today. I have said and will continue to believe the J-20 is an awesome aeroplane that would benefit greatly from TVC.
The long fuse does have some drag and stability benefits, but is more likely for additional fuel and weapons, it does impede your ability to turn the aircraft as it adds to stablility as well , here again just physics. Dr. Song and team address this concern with the addition of the "distant coupled canards", which no doubt are a fantastic benefit to this airframe and address many of the concerns with a rear mounted delta!
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[/COLOR]Because of operational object is a stealth aircraft, so the dog fighting performance must be put in the first, because from the frontal flight, are not able to find each other. But the real find each other, they entered the visual stage combat, directly into the dog fights, so is specifically to kill F-22 and 35design[/QUOTE]
Lots of luck with dat, the F-35, awwwhh, well, but the F-22, ain't gonna happen, if the dragon comes huntin, I hope the first thing it finds is the Raptor.
MiG-29
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well brat, the future is just a thing for prophets, i do not think any one can predict well what could happen, but looking at the past i can say the following.
Based upon history, the first thing to die in war is truth, read the accounts of air to air battles in Korea or Vietnam read Russian, chinese sources and american and you will read so much contradictions.
each side in war claims what ever they want, russian sources declared MiG-15 was much better than the MiG-15 portraited by US historians,
in fact in Vietnam they claim when MiG-21 faced F-4 the MiG enjoyed a better kil ratio of 2:1.
Но при столкновениях с более легкими МиГ-21 F-4 начали терпеть поражение за поражением. С мая по декабрь 1966 года США в воздушных боях потеряли 47 самолетов, уничтожив при этом лишь 12 истребителей противника
The other thing is what airplanes are downed and upon what conditions.
Take F-15, it faced mostly MiG-21s, Su-20s and MiG-23BN (the MiG-23BN is the attack version of MiG-23 without radar).
F-15 in fact only downed very few MiG-25s and MiG-29s and also few MiG-23 fighter variants (some MiG-23 fighter variants were downed by fleeing iraqi pilots)
Yes it killed MiG-25s and MiG-29s, but when it faced MiG-25s the Russians claimed some F-15 were donwed, and when they faced MiG-29 particularly in serbia in 1999 the serbs were flying MiG-29s with low maintainance and without AWACs and outnumbered at least 6-10 to 1 with outdated avionics and missiles not corresponding to the latest MiG-29M or MiG-29SMT availiable in the 1990s.
Have F-15s and F-16s been donwed yes they have but all are said been downed by SAMs or AAA by the US, while Russian sources even claimed F-14s, Tornados were downed by MiG-29s and MiG-23s .
4 октября в бой впервые вступили и новые сирийские МиГ-23МЛ, в относительно короткий срок сбившие с "сухим счетом" два израильских F-15A. Несколько позже они, также без потерь, уничтожили еще один "Игл" и один "Фантом". Эффективные ответные удары (не в последнюю очередь - удачные воздушные бои МиГ-23МЛ против F-15A)
I do not think it will change in the future, all sides will try to lie and cover losses, perhaps we will see a few kills that can be confirmed, perhaps the sides will be well matched, or perhaps you will see air forces outnumbering and being better equipped than their rivals no one knows.
If F-22 downs Su-34s J-10s or Su-35s perhaps one or two PAKFAs or J-20s every one in the west will say like F-15 the best fighter of the world.
when in reality F-15 is more or less a match for MiG-29, slightly superior to MiG-25 or MiG-23, inferior to MiG-31 and Su-27.
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