J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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kroko said:
Thats a huge pile of speculation.
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Wet dream is more like it. Speculation is extrapolation based on facts. His statement about WS-10A is pure delusion, considering WS-10As are already flying with J-11B and prototype of J-10B.

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About flat noozles, im not sure that T-50 can get them without a major redesign of the plane. Besides, the engines are not integrated with the fuselage. I dont think that it would gain that much stealth. And it would lose the 3d noozles. Thats why i doubt that T-50 will get flat nozzles.
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Personally, I don't see what's so great about F-22's nozzles that makes people feel J-20 and T-50 should employ the same type of nozzles. F-22's nozzles produce vortices at the corners and lose some thrust as a result. In terms of RCS, I don't see how one exposed jet pipe would be better than another exposed jet pipe. The only advantage I see is simplicity in mechanics, since only two petals have to be actuated per nozzle.
 
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Wet dream is more like it. Speculation is extrapolation based on facts. His statement about WS-10A is pure delusion, considering WS-10As are already flying with J-11B and prototype of J-10B.


Personally, I don't see what's so great about F-22's nozzles that make people feel J-20 and T-50 should employ the same type of nozzles. F-22's nozzles produce vortices at the corners and lose some thrust as a result. In term of RCS, I don't see how one exposed jet pipe would be better than another exposed jet pipe. The only advantage I see is simplicity in mechanics, since only two petals have to be actuated per nozzle.
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the source is NPO Saturn Изделие 129" - рабочее название этого двигателя - еще совершенствуется, у него должно быть плоское сопло для меньшей заметности радарами противника. Показывать двигатель ПАК ФА, тем более его детали - строго запрещено. Все секретно


NPO Saturn has all the credibility when they say type 129 engine will have flat nozzles. krokro did not even bother to check the link that was from NPO Saturn and you just followed his mistake

and the video say the same from minute 1:20 to 1:30[video=youtube;NwkAq1D4W38]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwkAq1D4W38&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 
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the source is NPO Saturn Изделие 129" - рабочее название этого двигателя - еще совершенствуется, у него должно быть плоское сопло для меньшей заметности радарами противника. Показывать двигатель ПАК ФА, тем более его детали - строго запрещено. Все секретно


NPO Saturn has all the credibility when they say type 129 engine will have flat nozzles. krokro did not even bother to check the link that was from NPO Saturn and you just followed his mistake

and the video say the same
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Hahaha! What does that have anything to do with what I had said? Absolutely nothing. It doesn't make your statements about WS-10A any less flawed. It doesn't prove Al-31 as being more reliable than WS-10A.
 
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kroko said:
Thats a huge pile of speculation.

About flat noozles, im not sure that T-50 can get them without a major redesign of the plane. Besides, the engines are not integrated with the fuselage. I dont think that it would gain that much stealth. And it would lose the 3d noozles. Thats why i doubt that T-50 will get flat nozzles.
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It is going to get them in the next block. Like J-10A to J-10B. The flat nozzle T-50 won't enter service for at least 10 year IIRC (probably more). Just ask flateric for Saturn's flat nozzle patents. But the first block of the T-50 to enter service will be almost identical to prototype T-50-3.
 
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Not sure, but how reliable are these specifications ??

Can anyone translate the other data ??

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Words are not very clear when zoom in; however, I try to read them:
- Empty weight 17 tons
- ....
- Fuselage width 3.94m
- Wing span 12.88m
- Cruise speed 1.83
- Ceiling 20,000m
- Combat radius 2,000km
- ..... 25tons
- Height 4.45m
- Canard span 7.62m
- Max speed 2.5m
- Ferry range 5500km
- Crew 1
 
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SteelBird said:
Words are not very clear when zoom in; however, I try to read them:
- Empty weight 17 tons
- ....
- Fuselage width 3.94m
- Wing span 12.88m
- Cruise speed 1.83
- Ceiling 20,000m
- Combat radius 2,000km
- ..... 25tons
- Height 4.45m
- Canard span 7.62m
- Max speed 2.5m
- Ferry range 5500km
- Crew 1
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The 21.26 m must be referring to the length.
 
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flateric said:
thanks to Russian engineering experience shared during last decades you have lion's share of your aerospace program in existence
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China has earned it's share. Russian "help" was not help. China paid for your services and products. Without Chinese money, your PAK FA project would still be a dream.
 
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