J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
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Re: China's indigenous jet engines, including for J-20, perform within reasonable nor
The engine has two layer of pedals. The internal ones seals the nozzle, controls the size of the airflow. It is a critical component of the engine.
The external ones are for aerodynamics purpose only. It hides the control elements for the internal pedals. We often see F-15 photos with the external pedals removed.
So it is quite easy and safe to create your own external pedals. It won't change the engine performance.
I really wish the J-20 flew with Chinese engines. However, let me repeat - the black and silver nozzles are the same engine (same length, same diameter). The color and shape of the external pedals don't mean a thing.
Between AL-31F and WS-10, I would have to say they are AL-31F due to the pedal count.
However, we cannot remove the slight possibility that they are a different variant of WS-10 - either a modified WS-10A, specifically for J-20, or WS-10G.
The engine has two layer of pedals. The internal ones seals the nozzle, controls the size of the airflow. It is a critical component of the engine.
The external ones are for aerodynamics purpose only. It hides the control elements for the internal pedals. We often see F-15 photos with the external pedals removed.
So it is quite easy and safe to create your own external pedals. It won't change the engine performance.
I really wish the J-20 flew with Chinese engines. However, let me repeat - the black and silver nozzles are the same engine (same length, same diameter). The color and shape of the external pedals don't mean a thing.
Between AL-31F and WS-10, I would have to say they are AL-31F due to the pedal count.
However, we cannot remove the slight possibility that they are a different variant of WS-10 - either a modified WS-10A, specifically for J-20, or WS-10G.
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maozedong
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Re: China's indigenous jet engines, including for J-20, perform within reasonable nor
Wrong, WS-10 only one layer of blades for exterior, two layer of blades for interior. but AL-31F with two layer of blades for each exterior and interior, if they create one more layer of blades on AL-31F, people will easy to find out from the photos of J-20 engine nozzel.
if you mean create the exterior pedals means replace, AL-31F and F-15 engine are different, many people know that F-15 engine is speacial design for exterior layer remove, but Al-31 is not, and you need to tell us what reason China to do so, I had read some body said like you, but most of people doubt this opinion.
I see so many forums, so many people (include many engine expert) can not make the conclusion, I think you don't research very much about J-20 engine nozzle.
I have watched the photos for engine nozzle of AL-31f, WS-10a, J-20, I caunted how many blades they are, I times and times to watch the photos of engine nozzle of J-20, I would not make any conclusion.
time will tell, don't conclude so easy just by your guess.
there were many opinion for J-20 engine before it's maiden flight, until now, we only can say it's " unknow" engine.
Wrong, WS-10 only one layer of blades for exterior, two layer of blades for interior. but AL-31F with two layer of blades for each exterior and interior, if they create one more layer of blades on AL-31F, people will easy to find out from the photos of J-20 engine nozzel.
if you mean create the exterior pedals means replace, AL-31F and F-15 engine are different, many people know that F-15 engine is speacial design for exterior layer remove, but Al-31 is not, and you need to tell us what reason China to do so, I had read some body said like you, but most of people doubt this opinion.
I see so many forums, so many people (include many engine expert) can not make the conclusion, I think you don't research very much about J-20 engine nozzle.
I have watched the photos for engine nozzle of AL-31f, WS-10a, J-20, I caunted how many blades they are, I times and times to watch the photos of engine nozzle of J-20, I would not make any conclusion.
time will tell, don't conclude so easy just by your guess.
there were many opinion for J-20 engine before it's maiden flight, until now, we only can say it's " unknow" engine.
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A new talk show on Hong Kong's Phoenix network about the J-20. THis show is very interesting because:
1) They invited military experts from the mainland, Taiwan, and Singapore.
2) The guy who did the "broad cast" when J-20 first flew was invited as well.
3) The Taiwanese military expert (a former military man, I believe) thought that the military balance has shifted completely in the mainland's favor. He was extremely pro-PRC lol.
4) They got an American guy who could speak Chinese to talk at the end.
1) They invited military experts from the mainland, Taiwan, and Singapore.
2) The guy who did the "broad cast" when J-20 first flew was invited as well.
3) The Taiwanese military expert (a former military man, I believe) thought that the military balance has shifted completely in the mainland's favor. He was extremely pro-PRC lol.
4) They got an American guy who could speak Chinese to talk at the end.
maozedong
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I just watched that Phoenix TV talk show " Tigar Talk", I am interesting in the fanboy Huangyun 黄运 who lives in Chengdu, he closely saw J-20 maiden flight, I use to read his post in CD, his use name 禁止双弓.
I think all the invited guests talk in the show quite fair, but some one who lives in Moscow had visited Russian experts, I found those Russian always feel sour.
Yeah I also found it funny how the Taiwanese expert was more optmistic about the J-20 than most mainland expert.
FarkTypeSoldier
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Hey, may i ask if got any links to the streaming? Can't access with my iPhone I am eager to see this programme
Hey, may i ask if got any links to the streaming? Can't access with my iPhone I am eager to see this programme
Can you see it now?
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J-20 matches F-22 in front-profile and may exceed F-22 in side-profile stealth
Left-half of picture is China's J-20. Right half is U.S. F-22.
(Note the J-20 air-inlet has been better integrated into the fuselage than the F-22's gap between the air-inlet and fuselage.)
I have two observations. Firstly, as shown in the spliced-photo above, I believe that I have been proven correct that the J-20 matches the F-22's frontal profile in stealth design.
Above: Picture of sleek J-20 with small tailfins.
Below: Picture of sleek F-22 with large tailfins.
Secondly, the F-22 may have tailfins that are significantly larger than the J-20. Given the increased surface area to reflect radar, this raises the possibility that the F-22 may have a higher side-profile stealth signature than the J-20 and is more vulnerable to bi-static or multistatic radar systems.
Note: Thank you to HouShanghai for the photographs.
Left-half of picture is China's J-20. Right half is U.S. F-22.
(Note the J-20 air-inlet has been better integrated into the fuselage than the F-22's gap between the air-inlet and fuselage.)
I have two observations. Firstly, as shown in the spliced-photo above, I believe that I have been proven correct that the J-20 matches the F-22's frontal profile in stealth design.
Above: Picture of sleek J-20 with small tailfins.
Below: Picture of sleek F-22 with large tailfins.
Secondly, the F-22 may have tailfins that are significantly larger than the J-20. Given the increased surface area to reflect radar, this raises the possibility that the F-22 may have a higher side-profile stealth signature than the J-20 and is more vulnerable to bi-static or multistatic radar systems.
Note: Thank you to HouShanghai for the photographs.
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