J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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latenlazy

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That's not possible. Official specs at Zhuhai airshow clearly states Mach 2.0. High Mach speeds approach M3.0 is not practical.
I mean, it *is* possible, just not necessarily meaningful. Official top speed specs rarely indicate actual top speed attainable for planes and can also be somewhat situational depending on flight conditions like altitude and temperature. The J-20 could very well reach Mach 2.5 or even Mach 2.8 but its engines might get fragged doing so if its skin doesn’t go first. This entire top speed size measuring context isn’t even meaningful to air combat. The only utility going that fast has for a fighter is to escape a missile or a combat zone.
 

zszczhyx

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That's not possible. Official specs at Zhuhai airshow clearly states Mach 2.0. High Mach speeds approach M3.0 is not practical.
Well, in a video released by the People's Daily in 2018, it was stated that the J-20 combat cruiser can fly 52 kilometers per minute. I don't know how reliable it is.
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As for the data provided at the air show, I think it is a rough number.
 

CasualObserver

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Aircraft with fixed inlets like DSI typically have degraded performance at high Mach speeds. They are optimized for low supersonic. So that is highly unlikely.
What are the advantages of a low supersonic flight profile in modern BVR combat?
 

Deino

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Aircraft with fixed inlets like DSI typically have degraded performance at high Mach speeds. They are optimized for low supersonic. So that is highly unlikely.


Agreed, but if you go by some "nerds" or lunatic fan-boys, the J-20 features a secret movable DSI, which cab adjust its shape for high supersonic speed, is using a serial WS-15 since day one entering service with more than 245 kN ... and so on! ;)
 

latenlazy

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Aircraft with fixed inlets like DSI typically have degraded performance at high Mach speeds. They are optimized for low supersonic. So that is highly unlikely.
Agreed, but if you go by some "nerds" or lunatic fan-boys, the J-20 features a secret movable DSI, which cab adjust its shape for high supersonic speed, is using a serial WS-15 since day one entering service with more than 245 kN ... and so on! ;)
These assumptions about DSI are far too simple. DSI performance parameters are variable based on inlet shape (of the bump itself, inlet lip, and inlet throat). Advances in computational flow dynamics can help expand their performance envelope. so their optimizable ranges are not as set as common perceptions think. Furthermore, downstream inlet geometries and other potential features that aren’t visible like bleeds can also factor in inlet pressure recovery at different speeds. The mach 2.0 efficiency limit was very specific to early published testing of the F-16’s experimental DSI and may also apply to very specific design choices to the F-35, but we don’t actually know what speed range the J-20’s DSI is optimized for or what other features may impact the J-20’s total inlet recovery like those hexagonal features on the sides of the inlet that may be variable bleeds or air intakes. The arguments about DSI speed limits are a lot like the arguments about canards and stealth. They’re shibboleths built on marketing claims and shallow anecdotes and not any technically determined details.
 

SteelBird

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Agreed, but if you go by some "nerds" or lunatic fan-boys, the J-20 features a secret movable DSI, which cab adjust its shape for high supersonic speed, is using a serial WS-15 since day one entering service with more than 245 kN ... and so on! ;)
Did they say J-20 can take off and land vertically?
 
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