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J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII
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Nah I think they are taking it well. The Drive, on the other hand, is probably too scared to post an article on this.
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People tend to disregard the 900+ F-35s that have the latest avionics and sensors US/European industry could offer and likely can compete with or outperform the J-20 in most if not all domains. The F-22 hails from the 1990s and comparing the J-20 against it isn't really a testament to the J-20's standing in the modern fighter ecosystem.
Here comes the fake "Sinosoldier" (more like hindutva warrior) Are all those 900 F-35 going to attack China champ? How are they even going to do that? Isn't the reason(s) why NGAD platform is being fast tracked by the US military to essentially overcome the tyranny of distance with respect to the current limitations of what the F-35 can logistically do if war breaks out in the Taiwan Strait?
I don't want to derail this thread so this is my last comment regarding this topic. I used to respect and actually did learn a thing or two from your prior posts when you were less POLITICAL in your commentary. But nowadays it seems the taste of water in your neck of the woods have become so toxic that it has corroded your mind to the point that in my view everything you say is tainted with see see peed bad all the time.
Most people on this forum acknowledge the F-35's superior avionics and networking (and weapons suite obviously) to F-22s especially early F-22s, and that the F-35 is a very capable platform and it is the J-20's primary competitor (leaving aside things like basing, range, deployment realities in a westpac conflict).
The stark statement that early block F-22s with weapons it can carry not being competitive, compared to current J-20s with weapons it can carry, is not a surprise to us in the know --- but it's a hell of a change from the initial years when J-20 emerged and the general disparagement from the mainline defense media and pundits.
It's a testament not to J-20's capability, but is a just and rightful turntables to the mainline defense pundits from years past, who deserve to have every grain of salt rubbed thoroughly into their wounds. Given how long you have been involved in PLA watching, I'm surprised (but not really) that you have managed to miss the point entirely.
I suppose it is also a testament to the F-22 program as a whole being mismanaged and somewhat flawed from the outset where such a high performance, high cost platform ended up having such a proportion of its fleet not being future proof.
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Pray tell which other aircraft can outperform block 20 F-22s, especially from non-Western allied countries. Te fact that Chengdu went from making Mig-21 derivatives to something the USAF can take seriously is, in and of itself, testament of China and J-20’s standing in modern fighter ecosystem.
It's even more than that -- which is that Block 20 F-22s are described blankly as "not competitive" with current J-20s. It wasn't that long ago (and in fact in many places even now) that people view the J-20 as not even a 5th generation fighter.
It's a rather notable mea culpa, even if we account for various unsaid nuances behind that statement, simply because of the F-22's popular "status" as the king of all air superiority fighters ever.
Frankly, the Chinese aerospace industry and PLA watchers don't exactly require these kind of statements to confirm what is already known about the advances in PRC military aviation capabilities or the competitiveness of J-20 now and into the future.
These kind of statements are however useful as receipts in recounting articles like this where J-20 was viewed even by the Chief of Staff of the USAF at the time as only comparable to the F-117 because of its supposed sensing and networking, let alone the many articles in pop-defense and think tankland about J-20 in years past.
The USAF general's statement about early block F-22 and J-20 is relevant to this thread in so far as it is discussed relevant to J-20.
By discussing the details of J-20 vs F-35 it is not only off topic, but it is essentially taking the bait of someone whose posts are either made in ignorance or deliberately not done in good faith.
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By discussing the details of J-20 vs F-35 it is not only off topic, but it is essentially taking the bait of someone whose posts are either made in ignorance or deliberately not done in good faith.
Various posts deleted, further posts comparing J-20 and F-35 will be deleted as well given its off topic nature.
That statement makes it seem that the only reason why the 2008 vintage Increment 2 F-22 is not competitive against the J-20 is its outdated AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM with a range of 105km. Either the US is confident in being able to track the J-20 at ranges where AIM-120D is relevant (160km+) or the AIM-120C variant seeker struggles against VLO targets.
There's likely a lot of nuance behind the statement that's left out. The differences between Block 20 and 30 F-22 is more than just the ability to field AIM-120D, and there are likely some enabling upgrades/differences involved as well.
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