J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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caohailiang

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Very unlikely the PLAAF will have a parity with the USAF at 2030, and honestly don't need to. Also you seriously need to combine USN and USAF 5th fighters
why is that?
as i said in an earlier post, we expect PLAAF will have 1000+ J20, 700+ modern flankers and ~300 modern J10, which surpasses current inventory of USAF, which contains some 1900 tactical compact aircrafts (including A10)

and there will be some J31 produced starting from 2025 according to Blitzo's opinion
 

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why is that?
as i said in an earlier post, we expect PLAAF will have 1000+ J20, 700+ modern flankers and ~300 modern J10, which surpasses current inventory of USAF, which contains some 1900 tactical compact aircrafts (including A10)

and there will be some J31 produced starting from 2025 according to Blitzo's opinion

My reason for leaving the USAF out of this discussion, is because having "parity with USAF by 2030" is a bit of an arbitrary measure and is not as useful as simply aiming to define the PLA's own needs based on the combination of likely adversary forces (which is more varied and diverse than merely the whole of the USAF) in context of their own industrial and procurement capability.
 

caohailiang

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My reason for leaving the USAF out of this discussion, is because having "parity with USAF by 2030" is a bit of an arbitrary measure and is not as useful as simply aiming to define the PLA's own needs based on the combination of likely adversary forces (which is more varied and diverse than merely the whole of the USAF) in context of their own industrial and procurement capability.
ok, i agree with that logic

thinking about combination of likely adversary forces tha PLA could face, here is what i have:

1, USN will bring their full weight - fully aware the time and logistic issue to do that as mentioned by one of our beloved member who recently deregistered, but they are not insurmountable if USN really try. So lets say they are bringing 500 fighters to the party.

2, USAF could face some basing issue but if they manage to get the Phillipines in the line, that problem will be almost solved - not saying they will but cannot rule that out. That is 1500 tactical fighters (excluding A10, and 200 for minimum national air defence)

3, 1 or 2 more countries in Quad. the possibility in my opinion looks like:
Japan 80%
India 30%
SK 30%
that is some 500 fighters, worst case could be 800

i will neglect AU or UK, even if they join the party, their contribution is minimum.

so the combination of adversary could be around 2500 fighters, in which i think maybe 1500+ is gen5

I am expecting PLA naval aviation to have maybe 150 carrier based fighters by 2030, which means PLAAF need to have 2000+ modern aircrafts in its inventory for this equation to look balanced
 

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taxiya

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Well, to my eyes it looks like there is jitter in the roll attitude, so doesn't seem like camera artifact to me.
From 1:56 to 2:07 "J-20 did a 360 degree roll without moving forward". This has been done more than once. Apparently the author rotated the scene 360 degrees with video editing software.

This means the author of the video used tons of video processing to create effects that does not exist. Too many "artistic" creativities. So I don't think anything can be inferred from it because we don't know what piece of it can be trusted as real.

About the jitter. It is artifact of the video special effect editing. At 1:54 to 1:56 you can see that not only the whole body is jittering but the canopy visibly shifted position on the fuselage which is physically impossible.

To me a general rule is that don't take any video with background music seriously.
 
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nelBi

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this kind of bring us to the question of whether a land based J31 is still going to be produced.

1st possibility is PLAAF will just keep producing J20 at current or higher rate and skip J31, which in the end will result in over 1000 J20 by 2030, combined with ~700 J11b/J16, PLAAF will have close to 2000 dual engine heavy fightets(!), plus the 300 J10b/c, total 2300 gen4.5/gen5. The composition is heavily tilted towards long range fighters.

Second is the current dramatic ramp up in J20 is an emergency respond to the geo politic situation. They could continue to produce at cuurent rate for several years but ramp down earlier, J31 production will kick in at later in the decade, which will result in a more balanced fleet.

3rd one is gen6 fighter will kick in earlier than 2030, which will natrually result in J20 production to ramp down in 2030 and J31 skpipped. What Yang Wei mentioned during the airshow few days ago could refer to that but we never know.

IMHO, first is more likely as J31 is too late to the game and PLA planner now dont have the luxary to wait for it
J31's still fills a role in China's air force. China's modern fleet excluding planes like the J7/J8/JH7 is still relatively small compared to the US. A cheaper/smaller jet that China can mass produce is still crucial along with eventually replacing the J10 fleet.
 
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