J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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zyun8288

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Not a great comparison.
15 years ago the scale of J-11B likely wouldn't have been expected, and certainly J-16 wasn't a thing back then.
And for the PLA, excessively large scale procurement of the smaller J-10 likely would not have been a very good idea.


In fact, we combine the number of domestically produced 4+ and 4.5 gen fighters overall (J-10 variants and SAC Flanker variants) from 15 years ago to now, you'd probably get to about the number of J-10s that would've been projected from back then.



That said, it's very possible that J-20 production rates may sustain at the current projected rate for too many years.


However, your comparison is flawed because the excitement about J-10 production rates from 15 years ago was made on the basis of simply "producing a domestic fighter" (of which only J-10 was available at the time), rather than "producing the best mixture of domestic fighters that will be available in the near future" (which they understandably wouldn't have been able to foresee back then).

The difference of course is that J-20 is a proper heavyweight fighter with the kind of range and persistence that the PLA actually needs in large numbers as a mainstay fighter, and while the J-10 is an excellent fighter and offers greater affordability and lower logistics and maintenance needs, it is notably far smaller compared to its Flanker equivalents with correspondingly greater range.
Well, the J11/16’s scale was within my expectations. J10’s room in Plaaf had been plenty. Flankers has only been filling its own space which is still not done yet. It’s not fair to blame J11/16 for J10’s relatively “low” number. In fact all considered, J10’s number is not unreasonable.
I am afraid J20’s number will be reasonable too, instead of being wild.
 

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Well, the J11/16’s scale was within my expectations. J10’s room in Plaaf had been plenty. Flankers has only been filling its own space which is still not done yet. It’s not fair to blame J11/16 for J10’s relatively “low” number. In fact all considered, J10’s number is not unreasonable.
I am afraid J20’s number will be reasonable too, instead of being wild.

I'm really not sure what you're saying -- first you said that J-10 production was lower than you expected, and now you're saying it is not unreasonable?

If J-10 production was not unreasonable compared to original expectations, then how does that relate to J-20 production expectations?


I agree that J-20's production estimates needs to be within reason -- but we are already at a point where our predictions for J-20 have been thrown out of whack.
Early this year, the consensus was that in 2022 that CAC might be able to produced 40 odd J-20s.
Now, it is more like this year they likely will able to produce 65-75 J-20s, with room still to grow in the next few years, perhaps to even reach the triple digit threshold

That is a huge expansion in expectations, and forces us to recalibrate what the future projections and predictions might be.
 

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