J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII
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Who said they were "irrelevant"? In your post, you're repeating stuff I already said in my previous 2 posts:
"The same AoA characteristics of your aircraft would be better used executing the basics"
"they are useful for bragging rights for the jet's capabilities"
"the only time they have a shot against F-22s in DACT, is when young Raptor pilots try high AoA stunts"
I agree, which is why I made this claim, lolz.
But I'm still curious to hear from an actual pilot how likely the possibility is. Maybe it's more likely than I think, for very experienced pilots.
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They're good for simulating enemies and can even be used to intercept during peacetime. Same reason US navy keeps a single Swedish SSK they bought ages ago.
J-20 just does completely different things.
If J20 had the victor engine would it out manoeuvre a F22.
I don’t think so. It might hold the advantage in instantaneous turn and roll but I don’t think it could beat a Raptor in climb rate or sustained turn. It is a bit like J-10 and F-16.
Eh. Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Climb is about T:W ratio. If the J-20 has comparable T:W ratio to the F-22 it should also have comparable climbing rates.
Sustained turns are about lift to drag ratio and T:W ratio (the former dictates how much energy you bleed vs how much lift force you’re getting for your turn at a certain speed and angle of attack during the sustained part of the turn, and the latter dictates how much energy you can recover to power your sustained turn). F-16 is generally regarded as having the *best* sustained turn rates of 4th gens, probably even better than 4.5 gen Eurocanards, and this is with a worse T:W ratio than the Eurocanards or the F-15. Where the F-16 falls short is that its altitude envelope is lower, which means its turning performance drops off faster at higher altitudes. If the J-20 is comparable in sustained turns to the F-16 with its current engines I don’t see why it can’t be comparable to the F-22 once it has the WS-15.
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plawolf
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Sustained turn maybe, but climb rate is just a function of drag, weight and thrust. I think the J20 may even have an edge against the Raptor when it comes to drag, and we have very strong evidence to suggest it is very light for its size, so the only definitive advantage the raptor has are its monstrously powerful engines. But the WS15 would change that, so it’s not at all guaranteed that the Raptor would have better climb rate against ‘final form’ J20s with WS15s.
With the WS-15, the J-20 will crap all over everything.
I've always suspected the J20 to be a superior aircraft to the F22. The F22 is a 20+ year old airframe, yet yankees are still jerking off to it like it's the single greatest piece of military equipment ever produced. Also, production of F22 stopped while J20 is still receiving iterative upgrades. 'Final form' dual seater J20 with mature WS-15 and loyal wingman drones will only be matched by USAF's 6th gen NGAD.
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