J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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Mohsin77 said:
As kool as these high alpha stunts are (and they are useful for bragging rights for the jet's capabilities), I want a J-20/Raptor/Su-35 driver to tell me what's the probability that they'd actually use something like this in a real dogfight?

I heard a USAF instructor say that the only time they have a shot against F-22s in DACT, is when young Raptor pilots try high AoA stunts and mess it up. Maybe if you have like 10,000 flight hours (e.g. Top Gun instructors or their Chinese or Russian equivalents) you might actually use it in a real fight. But even if they screw up, they'll be kinematically kaput and get splashed 5 seconds later.
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BVR as much as you can, WVR as much as you must is probably the rule of thumb here. There are inevitably going to be situations where your BVR options fail and you have to settle the engagement with a merge.
 
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Mohsin77 said:
As kool as these high alpha stunts are (and they are useful for bragging rights for the jet's capabilities), I want a J-20/Raptor/Su-35 driver to tell me what's the probability that they'd actually use something like this in a real dogfight?

I heard a USAF instructor say that the only time they have a shot against F-22s in DACT, is when young Raptor pilots try high AoA stunts and mess it up. Maybe if you have like 10,000 flight hours (e.g. Top Gun instructors or their Chinese or Russian equivalents) you might actually use it in a real fight. But even if they screw up, they'll be kinematically kaput and get splashed 5 seconds later.
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BVR is where the bulk of the high yield combat capability comes from, and I expect BVR to be an even heavier driver of fighter and aerial combat system design priorities and capabilities in 6th gen.

But for now, with the current generation of 5th gen fighters and with technologies available, I think WVR is still going to be there as a potential last ditch action to take if all else fails. Being able to do it well is still useful, and having a plane that can do kinematically useful things in an easy manner is not un-beneficial. A degree of training will inevitably still be oriented around WVR ACM.
 
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No, but I can't say anymore. Perhaps @Deino can chip in.

My point to totoro, is "trust us bro".
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I can only rephrase the same ... I have a certain source - similar to the camouflaged J-10CE, which i had almost a week ago - which showed me an image but I promised not to share it. Latest similar surprising news is, the 6th AB at Suixi is getting J-16s.

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The J-20 has been spotted in Turkey!! J-20 tech exchange for TB2 confirmed!!1!!!11

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sequ said:
The J-20 has been spotted in Turkey!! J-20 tech exchange for TB2 confirmed!!1!!!11

FbaKV__XoAIYv1C


...mods pls dont ban
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A very similar aerodynamic configuration but honestly in no way takes away from the work of the developers of this aircraft. All it shows is those engineers at Baykar (whatever it's called) have the capability to understand and master this level of aerodynamic design... to simplify things. After all we don't have a clue about their respective kinematic performance at various speeds controls etc.

On the topic of similar configuration, I see the Turkish engineers also adopted a leading edge extension between wings and canards, a long arm canard layout, and high mounted wings. J-20 in UCAV form indeed.

Also just noticed the sweep angles are similar. Blue line sweep angle are parallel. Green lines for canard is further back while for wings well makes diamond wings.


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A very similar aerodynamic configuration but honestly in no way takes away from the work of the developers of this aircraft. All it shows is those engineers at Baykar (whatever it's called) have the capability to understand and master this level of aerodynamic design... to simplify things. After all we don't have a clue about their respective kinematic performance at various speeds controls etc.

On the topic of similar configuration, I see the Turkish engineers also adopted a leading edge extension between wings and canards, a long arm canard layout, and high mounted wings. J-20 in UCAV form indeed.
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Same engineering solution for the same problem.
 
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