J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

THX 1138

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Are people expecting J-20A to enter service with WS-10 engines?

There's not even a single WS-15 in service yet. It will likely take a several years for the WS-15 production to ramp up from 0 per year to 200+ per year. Right now, I don't see how WS-15 can be produced fast enough to keep up with even half the J-20 production lines.
 

sunnymaxi

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Are people expecting J-20A to enter service with WS-10 engines?

There's not even a single WS-15 in service yet. It will likely take a several years for the WS-15 production to ramp up from 0 per year to 200+ per year. Right now, I don't see how WS-15 can be produced fast enough to keep up with even half the J-20 production lines.
there is enough information available on this thread regarding WS-15 development process.. i suggest you to please read out this thread.

WS-15 is a production engine since March, 2023 and is in LRIP stage for past two years.. AECC is gradually increasing the supply and we are expecting full scale production this year. even Orca confirmed this.

preparation has completed. and AECC Shenyang planning to cut down WS-10 because WS-20/WS-15 production started.
 

ENTED64

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So yes, at all there are 16 units in this list, however I rate only 15 of them as confirmed and likely!

As such we have:
9 confirmed operational units = 9 x 20-28 J-20 = 180-252 J-20
2 confirmed FTTB units (not the same number of aircraft) = maybe 2x 12 J-20 = 24 J-20
2 unconfirmed but likely units: 2x 20-28 J-20 = 40-56 J-20
= likely 244-332 J-20

2 rumoured units: 2x 20-28 J-20 = 40-56 J-20

Okay so what you're saying is the 54th should be presumed to not have J-20s? That count essentially ignores the "unconfirmed and questionable" 54th, that's the missing unit. I figured since you put it on the list we should assume the 54th is at least in the "rumored" category so there should be 3 rumored units not 2.

Are people expecting J-20A to enter service with WS-10 engines?

There's not even a single WS-15 in service yet. It will likely take a several years for the WS-15 production to ramp up from 0 per year to 200+ per year. Right now, I don't see how WS-15 can be produced fast enough to keep up with even half the J-20 production lines.

The J-20S might have a few with WS-10C engines but at this point it seems clear J-20A will be using WS-15. It could be that production has been or will be slowed a bit but WS-15 has been in the works for quite a while now. Maybe it'll start out as 50 J-20A a year instead of 100 J-20 or something and build to 100 J-20A over a year or two.
 

cdj20

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I found this image under TWZ's F-47 report comment section. According to this, some guys claim F-35 is more maneuverable than J-20.

Any idea? :rolleyes:

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Source:

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The image contains a typo: the term "变相" (which means "disguised" or "indirect") should be corrected to "变向" (meaning "turning" or "changing direction"). They sound the same in Chinese(bian xiang). It’s clear that the careless dumbass forgot to check the text he made up.
 
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ENTED64

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Eben more they call it the fourth in the South!

Hmmm that's interesting, given your previous post:

CONFIRMED UNITS:
1. 176th
… maybe gained later additional J-20 (II)
2. 172nd … gained later additional J-20 (II)
3. 9th (all J-20 (I))
4. 1st
5. 5th
6. 56th
7. 111th
8. 8th
9. 4th
10. 41st
11. 97th
(all J-20 (II))

Then we have unconfirmed highly likely units:
12.
55th
13. 19th


… unconfirmed and questionable:
14. 54th
(some reports claim it is now a J-16 unit)

… rumours only:
15. 131st
16. 2nd (more likely than 131st actually)

Of the first 13 units you list, 2 are FTTB (176th, 172nd), 2 are CTC (56th, 19th), 2 are NTC (1st, 55th), 3 are ETC (9th, 8th, 41st), 2 are STC (5th, 4th), 2 are WTC (111th, 97th). 54th AB is in ETC and 2nd AB is in NTC. So if there are 4 AB in the STC using J-20 that implies there is an unknown AB that switched to J-20 at some point that we don't even have rumors for. There are some units in STC that last we heard were flying outdated stuff like J-7s including 52nd, 53rd, and 132nd AB. I'd guess it's probably one of those 3.

Furthermore if there are 4 AB in STC flying J-20 I'd be fairly surprised if there weren't more AB in the other theater commands flying J-20. If 2nd AB is flying J-20 that brings the total in NTC to 3. I'd guess there's probably 1-2 more spread between CTC/ETC/WTC .
 
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