J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

siegecrossbow

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I thought the existing J-20 can all be retrofitted with WS-15

They can’t. And even if they could the “innards” of J-20A/S and J-20 are so different that it is probably not worth the effort. You have to keep in mind that from conception the J-20 is designed to be a long range fighter capable of performing air domination tasks beyond the First Island Chain with no escort support. There are a lot of redundancies built into the airframe, which is very “stuffed” but it comes at the advantage of a very capable and resilient aircraft, capable of long distant flight even if one of its engines is destroyed and airframe has suffered heavy damage. Due to the tech limitations of the 2010s the internal space is almost completely used up (no gun, for instance), but tech advancement allows for optimization in J-20A that the OG can only dream of.
 

taxiya

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Would it be reasonable to expect an ‘official’ announcement that the J-20A with WS-15 had achieved sustained super-cruise capabilities, or should we expect to simply be required to deduce such?
PLA has never (and will never) announce anything clearly and specificly even when they are ahead of rivals. Deduction is always required. It is delibrate to let rivals in doubt of everything in every directions.
 

siegecrossbow

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J-20 test pilot Li Gang regales the reporter with the tale of one of the toughest challenges during the test flight process — simulating emergency missile launch under extreme battlefield conditions. The missile must be ejected from the main weapon bay while the prototype is simultaneously performing a fast roll and a high G turn.

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by78

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One cool image for the weekend.

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Blitzo

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A very belittling name compared to the pl-15 "Abaddon".

The real name of pl-15 isn't abbadon, that's just something made up by a think tank.

As for NATO reporting names... does anyone here actually care? In the same way that their reporting names for Chinese ships are silly and inconsequential, whatever the name for J-20 and other planes are, is the same.
 

plawolf

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Fagin: there is nothing wilder than a demon (Abaddon) in your tailpipe. Which hole do you want me to fill?

I feel if they just saved Fagin for the J31/35, it would have been less blatantly insecure and far smaller of a stretch.

Look on the bright side, it could have been worse. With the current lot in charge over in America, there’s a non-zero chance if someone had the balls to submit Fappin, it would have been picked.
 

MelianPretext

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In case anyone is actually seriously fixated on nonsense like this, has anyone actually read up on the origin of the word? It's the name of an anti-semitic caricature of a Jewish person from Dickens, deeply controversial today for being "one of the most grotesque Jewish characters in English literature." The possibility of it being seriously used here is quite some fantastic irony, because modern Sinophobia is neatly shaping up to parallel how Dickens' 19th century American biases inspired this character, "drawn from images of Jews created by non-Jews as "inherently evil" as associated with the Devil and beasts." If the designation is true, it's quite the own-goal.

They could have chosen Flop or Fishfood to belittle its performance or Filch to insinuate its design inspiration, which would have been similar to how Russia's plane ended up with "Felon". If they wanted to embed a "China Bad" messaging into the name of the aircraft, which seems like their intent by associating the character's negative story traits with the plane while seemingly overlooking its anti-semitism, it would have been better if they just straight up named it "F**k-the-CCP" or "Falun-Gong-Rules!" Instead, they chose a word that sounds like (and is supposed to be pronounced like) the homophobic slur and which can be countered by citing its massive baggage when trolls use it online, which is the only place where things like this really matters.

In any case, in the context of a historical relationship where China was once mocked as the "celestial empire" and "middle kingdom" by the West at the country's weakest moment under semi-colonialism, I'd say that the fact that the script has now flipped is a form of achievement for the J-20 in being able to provoke such undisguised insecurity with being given a belittling name. That's all that needs be said really.
 
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