J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

Blitzo

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Binkov made a new video estimating J-20 annual production rates (which as he claims, ranges around 80+ in 2023). How credible is this?

He's just repeating stuff that have been first surmised and established from places like SDF many months ago.

Which is to say, in this case it is in line with our estimates, but that is because they are likely following our estimates. Don't rely on Binkov or those kind of "content creator" youtube channels for military developments.

As for this numbers for the per year production rate over the last few years, I think he's probably under counting a bit, but whatever.
 
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Papppi

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Which is to say, in this case it is in line with our estimates, but that is because they are likely following our estimates. Don't rely on Binkov or those kind of "content creator" youtube channels for military developments.
Very aware of that lol. Pretty much every "military channel" on youtube (aside of Perun, USNI, AUP, etc.) serves the sole purpose of entertainment and nothing else. There's honestly not much you can learn from 20 minute videos with info / script copied off Wikipedia
 

Blitzo

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Very aware of that lol. Pretty much every "military channel" on youtube (aside of Perun, USNI, AUP, etc.) serves the sole purpose of entertainment and nothing else. There's honestly not much you can learn from 20 minute videos with info / script copied off Wikipedia

Even Perun, and other youtube channels aren't great.

Next time, just ask the question directly without posting the video. The video is ultimately a waste of your time and our time.
 

HighGround

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I find Millinium 7 channel to be allright but yeah as a whole most 'military channels' on YT are just reading off wiki etc filled with stock footages.
I was watching one about F35 and they showed the inside cockpit of a F15A!
I find him awful. His videos could be reduced to 10 minutes. I find Perun just as bad to be honest, they just blabber on and editorialize the content instead of just getting to the point.

My benchmark for Youtube videos is accuracy and quality of presentation. IMO, modern Binkov is accurate, presents well and in the appropriate amount of time. For me, he's at the same level as Eurasia Naval Insight, just not as timely. These videos do an excellent job of informing the public IMO. So I readily recommend both to people who ask me.
 

BoraTas

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Binkov made a new video estimating J-20 annual production rates (which as he claims, ranges around 80+ in 2023). How credible is this?
Very. His source is likely this forum too. Unit formations, statements from insiders and serial numbers all indicate such a production rate. Most of us here expect 100+ a year starting with the introduction of the new J-20 variant.
 

tamsen_ikard

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He's just repeating stuff that have been first surmised and established from places like SDF many months ago.

Which is to say, in this case it is in line with our estimates, but that is because they are likely following our estimates. Don't rely on Binkov or those kind of "content creator" youtube channels for military developments.

As for this numbers for the per year production rate over the last few years, I think he's probably under counting a bit, but whatever.

He might be undercounting and discounting Chinese manufacturing numbers and J-20 capabilities vs F-35. But what he says about the strategic implications are indeed true and quite depressing for China to be honest. The fact that even if China produces 120+ J-20's per year, it still won't catchup to US and its anglo-saxon allies and client states in the Pacific such as Japan and Korea. They will still have almost 2 to 1 advantage in terms of number of planes. Yes, one could argue that they will never be able field more than 50% of those planes into a war against China due to large distances involved and logistics. But its still enough to put China on the defensive.

The takeaway is that China is still not investing enough on Air power and on its military overall. With China's manufacturing prowess, making 3-400 fighter jets per year should be easily doable. But China is making just enough planes to slowly get to parity with US+allies in maybe 15-20 years. But it will never get to a position of dominance where US will be afraid of even contemplating a fight with China and slowly get out of the west Pacific due to caution and fear. That's still a long way off.
 

gelgoog

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They are comparing F-35 numbers, a single engine aircraft, with a twin engine aircraft like the J-20. The truth is the US hasn't produced a twin engine aircraft of that weight class in those kinds of numbers since the late Cold War. And if you add the numbers of the J-16 to that, then China's production record becomes even more impressive.
 

JonnyJalapeno

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Wishful thinking on binkov part to think that AWACS or US carriers would be close enough to provide tracking for F-35. What we would see is more likely F-35 and J-20 fighting on its own over several hundred kilometers offshore of China, with US naval assets parked near Guam or philippines to be outside of missile range, only as assisting role to their "partner" states[japan/south korea] doing the heavy lifting. Anyway comparing two different class planes is pointless.
 
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