J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

[lcloo]

Do we know the price tag of J20 vs F35. Every source I read indicated that J20 is more expensive than F35. Why is that? I thought lower labor cost meant cheaper for China but not the case here.

China could produce cheap EV while others cannot. If China applies the same concept to J20, maybe they can produce it cheaper?

First no body knows the actual price of J20. Then the sources that you read on "J20 is more expensive than F-35" may not be correct since no one knows the price of J20. Third labour costs in China has increase a lot for past few decades. Many foreigners, including Americans flocks to China for higher paid jobs.

China's EV is cheaper than western ones mainly due to (1) firece competitions among several dozens of EV manufacturers in China, (2) Complete supply chains means almost all parts are secured from domestic supplies which would cut down costs significantly, especially the very expensive batteries.

Finanlly, the perception of made in China is cheap is mis-leading. China exports many cheap things because there is a huge demand for cheap things in markets abroad. Flagships and luxurious items can be beyond the financial capability of many foreign consumers, example luxury EV like U8 that sold for more than one million RMB, top flagship smartphones from Oppo, Huawei, newly made small little tea pot that sells for more than US$1,000 etc that you don't normally see.

 

[TK3600]

If I have to guess, J-20 is cheaper. Not because cheap labor or anything, just less corruption involved. If US is not more corrupted, then they should cost around the same. J-20 may be bigger, but extra cost offset by better industrial efficiency.

 

[gelgoog]

Look at the official cost of the Su-57. 170 billion rubles for 76 aircraft. That is 2.24 billion rubles per aircraft. At current exchange rates it is 25 million USD. The F-35 costs like 80 million USD. I would assume the J-20 costs between 25-50 million USD per unit.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

Allegedly the 2052 J-20A was having flight tests this morning. Here's a screenshot from the video:


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They really have bricks for cameras. /s

 

[Atomicfrog]

Look at the official cost of the Su-57. 170 billion rubles for 76 aircraft. That is 2.24 billion rubles per aircraft. At current exchange rates it is 25 million USD. The F-35 costs like 80 million USD. I would assume the J-20 costs between 25-50 million USD per unit.

Anyway, price means nothing if you are paying for your own aircraft and from your own company. Money just stay put right at home... and you are developping assets in your technological and manufacturing side of things.

 

[Michaelsinodef]

Anyway, price means nothing if you are paying for your own aircraft and from your own company. Money just stay put right at home... and you are developping assets in your technological and manufacturing side of things.

Nah, it still means something (although yes, it's much, much better compared to buying foreign equipment).

 

[siegecrossbow]

Allegedly the 2052 J-20A was having flight tests this morning. Here's a screenshot from the video:
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They really have bricks for cameras. /s

Paint it already!

 

[antiterror13]

Look at the official cost of the Su-57. 170 billion rubles for 76 aircraft. That is 2.24 billion rubles per aircraft. At current exchange rates it is 25 million USD. The F-35 costs like 80 million USD. I would assume the J-20 costs between 25-50 million USD per unit.

$20M for J-20?, hard to believe

My guess is $75M to $100M

 

[Deino]

Paint it already!

Not 100% sure, but it could indeed be ... looks grey!

 

[gelgoog]

$20M for J-20?, hard to believe
My guess is $75M to $100M

China's aircraft are being produced by state owned companies which do not require profit. Labor in China is also cheaper than in the US.
Also unlike the F-35 program the aircraft is likely all built and assembled at the same site with only the stuffing coming from elsewhere. This should further reduce unit costs.