Alternatively they might be able to fit two newer, smaller missiles within the side bays.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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by78
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But that still likely doesn’t resolve the space problem. I think the space constraints have as much to do with the launch mechanism as they do with the size of the missiles, if not more. That second missile has to be pushed clear of the fuselage so that hot exhaust doesn’t damage it. This would require a second launch rail of sorts, which would almost certainly take up as much—if not more— space than the missile itself. The key is to make the launch rails as compact as possible and pack the two missiles as tightly as possible inside the fuselage. Since the designers had been clever enough to implement the rather ingenious swivel rail, they may well have found a way to pack a second missile. Of course my one big assumption is that the fuselage is susceptible to being damaged by hot exhaust. Maybe they have simply treated the likely impact areas to be heat-resistant. I don’t know.
Could there be a reloading mechanism that reloads a missile onto the empty pylon? This makes more sense than having an extra fully functional pylon in terms of space and weight.
manqiangrexue
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OK, well, the illustrator did say that the rabbits are very smart so we'll probably not find the solution without finding a way to break at least some traditional limitation. Is it possible to replace the datalink cable with more of a retractable data plug mechanism on the launch rail and jack on the missile? That way, the arm can reach out, retract its plug to fire one missile, then return to the bay and re-extend its plug into the second one.
Alternatively, I have also thought that perhaps the first one launches out and the second one fires directly from inside the bay. There would be heat-protection cover inside the bay (although some burning might still occur like on the F-22) but heat-resistant RAM would not be necessary since everything that takes heat would be inside the bay and when the doors close, it would be like nothing happened from the external angle.
I hope you're not looking for space on this diagram, which is not drawn to scale but simply to illustrate the mechanism when it was first revealed.I do not think there is any space for another missile in the sidebays. Some points i have forces me to be a fence-sitter.
1. Many long term members here are of the position that the source is quite reliable and even though the mode of output ( cartoon) is questionable, the basic ideas presented are quite truthful.
2. China's J-20 sidebay solution is unique and is an innovation in that niche. The buried weapons bay of stealth fighters are as rare as the fighters themselves and therefore there is room for many new solutions and methods of deployment.
3. This image
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@manqiangrexue Certainly, my intention with the image was to make clear how the mechanism works. It does not answer directly the spacial aspects of the system. A 3D model is required to fully visualize the constraints.
Maybe it works like a semi-auto rifle.
Maybe it works like a semi-auto rifle.
Awesome J-20 model comes fully armed and choice of nozzle sets.
新製品の出荷はありませんが、新製品の告知はありました！ ドリームモデル社より、1/72プラモデル 中国空軍 J-20戦闘機が発売となります。こちらは11月出荷の予定です。
Translated from Japanese by Google
There was no new product shipment, but there was a new product announcement! 1/72 plastic model Chinese Air Force J-20 fighter will be released from Dream Model. This is scheduled to be shipped in November.
新製品の出荷はありませんが、新製品の告知はありました！ ドリームモデル社より、1/72プラモデル 中国空軍 J-20戦闘機が発売となります。こちらは11月出荷の予定です。
Translated from Japanese by Google
There was no new product shipment, but there was a new product announcement! 1/72 plastic model Chinese Air Force J-20 fighter will be released from Dream Model. This is scheduled to be shipped in November.
I do not think there is any space for another missile in the sidebays. Some points i have forces me to be a fence-sitter.
1. Many long term members here are of the position that the source is quite reliable and even though the mode of output ( cartoon) is questionable, the basic ideas presented are quite truthful.
2. China's J-20 sidebay solution is unique and is an innovation in that niche. The buried weapons bay of stealth fighters are as rare as the fighters themselves and therefore there is room for many new solutions and methods of deployment.
3. This image
If they remove the arm, they can fit another PL-10 in there. The draw back being the seeker head has to lock on after launch.
But what they need to work on is finding ways to stick more missiles in the main bay. Already plans are being to fit the Raptor with smaller BVR missiles called Peregrine. Half the size of the AIM-120D, the F-22 can carry double the missiles in it's main bays (12 instead of current 6). The new missile's range might be 75 to 100 miles.
Not sure if this program will materialize and with that size the new missile, it will lack a warhead, but US is trying to bring more missiles to the fight.
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I hope my comment about the Peregrine doesn't diverge this discussion into some race about the Raptor and the J-20. It was not my intention. Frankly I wish I could delete my comment or remove that part.
TerraN_EmpirE
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No way. Impossible. The mechanism of a semi automatic rifle wouldn’t work.
That system works as a closed system using gas pressure from firing the previous round. A missile in the slip stream doesn’t do that.
@plawolf pointed out loading a missile requires more than just moving it from point to point and sliding it around.
We had a whole back and forth on the pop out pneumatic launcher of the main bay a while back a while back.
The missile has to be wired in to the fighter. On a arm that swings out either trapize or swing style for J20. That missile system doesn’t make sense here.
More problems than that the missile needs to clear the launch bay. That requires some
Form of arm. Even if the Chinese introduced a lock on after launch missile. You still need to get it into the air and out of the bay. Otherwise it will launch into the from bulk head. Not a very nice day.
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