J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Deino]

I don't think it's a joke.
Judging from post #5684's image, when questioned "这是真的还是意淫的?"(Is it real or is it made up?), the auther replied "我是意淫的人咩？"(Am I the sort that makes things up?)

IIRC this is the same person that leaked J-10 with TVC. I agree with Blitzo that he's past record can't be ignored.

Exactly, and that's what confuses me since - at least by my understanding - I see not enough space to put a second PL-10 besids the first one in the same bay.

 

[AlyxMS]

Exactly, and that's what confuses me since - at least by my understanding - I see not enough space to put a second PL-10 besids the first one in the same bay.

Some say judging from the perspective of the drawing, the second missile is actually behind (closer to the rear of the plane) rather than beside the first missile.

Though come to think about it the landing gear would get in the way.
Perhaps it's behind and also closer toward the center of the aircraft.

Honestly if it's from any other person I would have ditched the idea right away.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Some say judging from the perspective of the drawing, the second missile is actually behind (closer to the rear of the plane) rather than beside the first missile.

Though come to think about it the landing gear would get in the way.
Perhaps it's behind and also closer toward the center of the aircraft.

Honestly if it's from any other person I would have ditched the idea right away.

I can see space possibly above the first missile but there would need to be a mechanism to bring that missile down onto the tip of the firing arm after it comes back empty from having shot one off. Also, it might be kept within the curve of the firing arm (if it was adjusted to curve inwards rather than outwards) and moved up into the position of the first missile after the first missile is brought out. It would be much easier if the missile fins could fold and/or if smaller missiles were invented. The drawing does show it in a different position though.

Do we have any pictures of J-20 with side-bay doors open where we can see inside the bay?

 

[no_name]

If you were to design a 5 gen stealth fighter but limited to options of either 4 side bay missiles, or 2 missiles plus internal gun, what would your choice be?

I might actually go for the 2 extra missiles option.

 

[plawolf]

When missiles are loaded on planes, a datalink cable (part of the missiles) is screwed into the launch rail to interface with the plane’s systems.

When a missile is fired, a mini-guillotine cuts the cable to allow the missile to launch.

A mechanism to attach a fresh missile and screw in the cable would be far too complicated to put on an aircraft.

The only way to have another missile in the bay is if there is another launch rail as well.

The only way I can see them being able to load another missile in the side bays is if there is a mini-rail attached to the weapon bay door, like on the F35.

 

[yuxiaochen]

If this development is for real for real, then I'm all for it, more missiles less problems right? But I'd like to take it with a grain of salt until I've been proven wrong.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Three ways such might work IMO.

1. A second arm but it would need space on the inside and that doesn’t seem practical unless they built a TARDIS.
2. Compact missiles. Half length you might fit two on the rail although it wouldn’t work like shown.
3. Streamline the side missile to the max, increase the size of the bay and mount rail and double up two missiles on the rail side by side. Again not like shown
4. External hard points the missile looks like it’s on the rail but as we know the J20 doesn’t quite operate its side weapon bays by the rules of F22. If that was somehow an external hard point it could have the second missile with the internal missile waiting. Fire the first missile jettison the hard point and then Rotate out the fresh one. Of course that’s not very stealthy. It would look like the image.

 

[Xizor]

I do not think there is any space for another missile in the sidebays. Some points i have forces me to be a fence-sitter.
1. Many long term members here are of the position that the source is quite reliable and even though the mode of output ( cartoon) is questionable, the basic ideas presented are quite truthful.
2. China's J-20 sidebay solution is unique and is an innovation in that niche. The buried weapons bay of stealth fighters are as rare as the fighters themselves and therefore there is room for many new solutions and methods of deployment.
3. This image

 

[Xizor]

I think Bltizo posted this..

 

[by78]

It's possible there is another movable rail embedded within the swivel mechanism. It's hard to express this without a 3D illustration. But imagine a collapsable ladder where one section is nestled within another so that you can 'telescope' it out to lengthen the ladder. In our case, the ladder is not straight but arc shaped, with the nestled section moving concentrically with the other section. So, when the swivel is in the retracted position, with the bay door closed, the two missiles would in close proximity with each other, almost like two adjacent bullets on an ammo feed. But when the bay door opens, and the swivel deploys, it pushes out the first of two missiles to the outside of the fuselage. When that first missile is fired, the second nestled rail pushes the remaining missile into position to fire.

This is just my speculation to figure out a way to best utilize the limited internal space. It's possible the bay is bigger than we imagined.