J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[siegecrossbow]

No, he's a J-16 pilot.

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Current J-20 pilots are elite pilots with experience on multiple platforms. Remember how one J-20 pilot claimed that the J-20 was aerodynamically superior than the other fourth gen. fighters he flew? How could he have made such a claim if he didn't operate multiple combat aircraft types?

 

[ougoah]

There's a theory circulating in pdf about J-20 already using WS-15. I am not convinced but could someone be kind enough to explain how we know for certain the new engine seen on J-20 is actually a WS-10x and not some WS-15. Since we don't know what WS-15 looks like, how can we be 100% sure about this? Thanks for explaining.

 

[Totoro]

I don't see J-20 entering true mass production until WS-15 is ready. That said, how many F-35s will be stationed around China by the end of 2019?

Considering LM is delivering planes from Lot 9 now, and there have been some 240+ delivered in total, of which some 200+ to US, by the end of 2019 there should be Lots 10 and 11 delivered. That's some 350 F-35 for US, witch each consecutive year 80-90 additional ones (lot 12 is going to be first full production lot)

How many will be stationed depends entirely on the situation. In peacetime, probably 10-50%. In wartime against China, probably 50-80% (since some need to stay back home for training. Lockheed Martin performed maintenance should not be applicable yet since they're all new planes)

As years pass, peacetime percentage is likely to decrease but wartime percentage is likely to remain similar.

Anyway, F35 production schedule is more or less known. Question is, will J20 production rate ever come close? And if so - when?

Producing J16 and J10 is all nice and good - but those aren't planes that will do as well in offensive operations, going out there near the first island chain, let alone beyond it.

 

[jobjed]

There's a theory circulating in pdf about J-20 already using WS-15. I am not convinced but could someone be kind enough to explain how we know for certain the new engine seen on J-20 is actually a WS-10x and not some WS-15. Since we don't know what WS-15 looks like, how can we be 100% sure about this? Thanks for explaining.

Every insider on Chinese BBS indicates it's a variant of the WS-10, and every insider indicate the WS-15 is not yet ready. And they've been indicating as such for years.

We haven't been given details about the WS-10 and WS-15 program, but we've been kept updated enough throughout the years to know their general progress. Not a single insider have said the WS-15 is anywhere near ready but they are saying the WS-10 family has mostly sorted out its problems.

If the guys on PDF think they know more than insiders who have been giving us accurate information for more than a decade, they should think again.

 

[Deino]

By the way ... is this another new LRIP-bird?



At least on 2021 this area was grey and not brown / tan



... and on again older birds even plain yellow.

 

[Hyperwarp]

By the way ... is this another new LRIP-bird?

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At least on 2021 this area was grey and not brown / tan

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... and on again older birds even plain yellow.

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Not just the brown/tan but the shape looks really odd (maybe an optical illusion).

 

[Inst]

You know at least with the J-10s, we can split them into A, B, and C designations. It looks as though the J-20 / J-20A form hasn't stabilized yet.

 

[tidalwave]

Seems like people are dismissing the WS10x powered J20A. Well, the word around is they could build up to 100 J20A. That's quite significant!

 

[latenlazy]

You know at least with the J-10s, we can split them into A, B, and C designations. It looks as though the J-20 / J-20A form hasn't stabilized yet.

That's what LRIP is for, though it's possible the bump geometry was changed to match the Taihang, which then required a change in its construction.

 

[Figaro]

There's a theory circulating in pdf about J-20 already using WS-15. I am not convinced but could someone be kind enough to explain how we know for certain the new engine seen on J-20 is actually a WS-10x and not some WS-15. Since we don't know what WS-15 looks like, how can we be 100% sure about this? Thanks for explaining.

I believe that you're reading into one *particular* member's postings too much. He is the exact same poster who claims that the WS-15 has 3D vectoring, offers 240 kN thrust, and uses AL-31F nozzles to disguise its appearance. This individual also happens to claim that the recent 2021 with WS-10X engines are all photo-shopped ... I bet @Deino could tell you more