J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Tiberium]

J-20 has a dedicated space and structure for cannon but not installed yet because of weight/usefulness/tactic reasons, and cannon can be added in the future if there is need, I don't think it is very hard to understand or design.

 

[Air Force Brat]

There has been ZERO pictures or verifible reports of the J20 ever having an internal gun, only pure conjecture and assumptions and since the gun is far from being some super secret weapon system I would have to go with the common assumption and common sense that it has NO internal cannon.
If it does, there is really no reason why we have not seen it already by now. There is no logical, tactical or strategic reason to purposely hide something so mundane.

That is all true and correct Sir!

 

[Air Force Brat]

I've heard nothing along those lines.

More importantly I don't think it is anywhere near confirmed that J-20 does not have a gun

You can easily spot the gun ports on the F-22 and F-35A, its very safe to say the J-20 does NOT at present sport a cannon, no doubt that a gun pod is in the future if needed as per F-35B and F-35C?? its actually black and white here......

 

[latenlazy]

You can easily spot the gun ports on the F-22 and F-35A, its very safe to say the J-20 does NOT at present sport a cannon, no doubt that a gun pod is in the future if needed as per F-35B and F-35C?? its actually black and white here......

If you’ve never seen the F-22’s gunport opened before you wouldn’t know it was a gunport. It would just look one of the many other undetermined panels on its body.

 

[Air Force Brat]

J-20 has a dedicated space and structure for cannon but not installed yet because of weight/usefulness/tactic reasons, and cannon can be added in the future if there is need, I don't think it is very hard to understand or design.

All true as well, but it would be a lot of heavy structural work to install a gun and gun ports after the airframe has been completed, I honestly don't think they will go to all that trouble, since they did not include the gun in the LRIP birds....

its classic for early prototypes to lack many internal systems, but its also classic to build those onto the airframe when LRIP begins, like OVT, it appears the Chinese are leaving these heavy systems off this airframe to optimize its tactical effectiveness.......

 

[latenlazy]

There has been ZERO pictures or verifible reports of the J20 ever having an internal gun, only pure conjecture and assumptions and since the gun is far from being some super secret weapon system I would have to go with the common assumption and common sense that it has NO internal cannon.
If it does, there is really no reason why we have not seen it already by now. There is no logical, tactical or strategic reason to purposely hide something so mundane.

There could be plenty of reasons why we haven’t seen the gun already. We haven’t seen the J-20 open its APU port yet. Does that mean there is no APU? The mundaness argument can cut both ways. Sometimes something is so mundane it’s not worth photographing, and it’s certainly not like we’re swimming in a sea of full disclosure in your face advertising about every piece, feature, and development of this plane. Quite the opposite, actually.

 

[Air Force Brat]

If you’ve never seen the F-22’s gunport opened before you wouldn’t know it was a gunport. It would just look one of the many other undetermined panels on its body.

As I stated and you can clearly see, the gun ports on the F-22 and F-35A are clearly visible, because it is a gunport, and those primer birds leave nothing to the imagination, you can see every panel and the rivets that hold it to the airframe, NO gun port visible? obviously you think it is clearly a mistake to leave the gun off the J-20, and lots of people do agree with you there....

 

[latenlazy]

As I stated and you can clearly see, the gun ports on the F-22 and F-35A are clearly visible, because it is a gunport, and those primer birds leave nothing to the imagination, you can see every panel and the rivets that hold it to the airframe, NO gun port visible? obviously you think it is clearly a mistake to leave the gun off the J-20, and lots of people do agree with you there....

We’ve identified a few panels on the J-20 that might be gun ports. We just don’t know if any of them actually are. If the F-22 never opened it’s gunports you wouldn’t know which of its multiple surface panels had a gun in them either. It would be the same situation.

Don’t put words in my mouth. There’s nothing obvious about whether I think the J-20 should have a gun port or not because I made no such arguments to that point, and truthfully I don’t really care either way. I’m curious to know for the sake of knowing but I don’t think whether the J-20 has a gun is a big deal. You made a flawed argument. I’m simply pointing out why its reasoning doesn’t work.

 

[SinoSoldier]

There could be plenty of reasons why we haven’t seen the gun already. We haven’t seen the J-20 open its APU port yet. Does that mean there is no APU? The mundaness argument can cut both ways. Sometimes something is so mundane it’s not worth photographing, and it’s certainly not like we’re swimming in a sea of full disclosure in your face advertising about every piece, feature, and development of this plane. Quite the opposite, actually.

To labor this point, there has been only one photo of the J-20's IFR probe, and even before then it was completely reasonable to expect the J-20 to be IFR-capable.

 

[Blitzo]

You can easily spot the gun ports on the F-22 and F-35A, its very safe to say the J-20 does NOT at present sport a cannon, no doubt that a gun pod is in the future if needed as per F-35B and F-35C?? its actually black and white here......

The F-22's gun port is nearly impossible to identify if one didn't already know where it is.

There is no reason to think why J-20's could not be similar.