So many overpaid idiots around the world. This is but one example. 100% wrong on the engines from Klimov. That's about as accurate as a doctor saying; "I don't trust the eyesight of Chinese people. They have small eyes. Therefore all of them must always have problems with sight." So easy to fool people these days especially true for industries that are filled by arts majors. Writing reports, "analysing", and managing "projects". They ought to be ignored like the morons they are.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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Typical trash think tanks with a pure political agenda. That's why. Their "analysis" can't get the basic stuff right. Their political commentary is dangerous to the world. What I can't stand is the fact these arrogant idiots actually get paid. They speak and write with so much conviction it's almost funny if it weren't dangerous. They do claim to be experts on Russia and regional politics after all.
Hahaha best way to put it, funny stuff. "I don't trust the eyesight of Chinese people. They have small eyes." False self justify selective
plawolf
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The west is in a state of supreme complacency when it comes to defence.
They have enjoyed unrivalled military dominance for so long, most in the west now take that as the natural order of things. It’s only worse in western defence circles. Where the echo chamber effect, and relentless marketing hype from western defence companies are incredibly strong.
The orthodoxy of this view is so strong that how to maintain this dominance isn’t really seriously considered any more. The underlying assumption is that so long as the west keep up military expenditure, the current ‘natural order’ will be maintained in perpetuality.
Instead, the debate in the West has shifted to how the various factions, companies and special interests can split the cake and get a bigger share for themselves.
Individual foreign platforms might be hyped up from time to time to bolster the case for specific systems to get more funding, but you will struggle to find any western military expert who would seriously entertain any scenario when the west’s overall military dominance could be challenged.
The very idea that China might potentially overtake the West technologically and militarily is so toxic in the west that pretty much all western experts will instinctively bristle at the suggestion and start off with the position of ‘how do I dismantle this POV?’ when confronted with the notion.
In this context, western military ‘experts’ have pretty much lost their ability to offer meaningful forecasts about Chinese military developments.
No western military expert saw the J20 coming; no western expert foresaw how rapidly and comprehensively China is gain ground in the UCAV global market. ASAT; hypersonic gliders; BMD; quantum communications, the list goes on and on.
Even worse than the failure to see these significant shifts coming is the consistent collective denial of western experts when confronted with event after event that doesn’t fit with their reality.
It is actually hysterically funny how western defence experts collectively stagger through the 7 stages of grief at every new breaking Chinese development.
Kofman seems to be skipping (or hiding pain) and wavering between denial and bargaining.
They have enjoyed unrivalled military dominance for so long, most in the west now take that as the natural order of things. It’s only worse in western defence circles. Where the echo chamber effect, and relentless marketing hype from western defence companies are incredibly strong.
The orthodoxy of this view is so strong that how to maintain this dominance isn’t really seriously considered any more. The underlying assumption is that so long as the west keep up military expenditure, the current ‘natural order’ will be maintained in perpetuality.
Instead, the debate in the West has shifted to how the various factions, companies and special interests can split the cake and get a bigger share for themselves.
Individual foreign platforms might be hyped up from time to time to bolster the case for specific systems to get more funding, but you will struggle to find any western military expert who would seriously entertain any scenario when the west’s overall military dominance could be challenged.
The very idea that China might potentially overtake the West technologically and militarily is so toxic in the west that pretty much all western experts will instinctively bristle at the suggestion and start off with the position of ‘how do I dismantle this POV?’ when confronted with the notion.
In this context, western military ‘experts’ have pretty much lost their ability to offer meaningful forecasts about Chinese military developments.
No western military expert saw the J20 coming; no western expert foresaw how rapidly and comprehensively China is gain ground in the UCAV global market. ASAT; hypersonic gliders; BMD; quantum communications, the list goes on and on.
Even worse than the failure to see these significant shifts coming is the consistent collective denial of western experts when confronted with event after event that doesn’t fit with their reality.
It is actually hysterically funny how western defence experts collectively stagger through the 7 stages of grief at every new breaking Chinese development.
Kofman seems to be skipping (or hiding pain) and wavering between denial and bargaining.
It's horrible that these people can have their voices heard by so many. They influence thinking on a scale we can't really comprehend. Research like this ought to be academic but it's really just glorified journalism at this point. We all know why these institutes exist in the first place. I'd be worried if policies are determined by people of this caliber.
Not true for ALL "western experts" but in this case it's quite clear the man wants to feed his audience exactly what they want/ need to hear. Laughable how incorrect his article is, not to mention it is fraught with personal bias and badly thought out conjecture. To call it thought out is giving it too much credit. There was zero reasoning behind any of that speculation. It was just plain old China can't make stuff lines that's still spreading and will not slow down anytime soon. The constant need to feel superior to others is strong here. I'm just bitter that this man gets paid more than me, just to do absolute shithouse "research".
There are no consequences for the errors made here at all either. Zero accountability in an area that is quite influencial on policy. I make an error on this scale and people die and I end up in jail. They always said the world ain't fair.
The fact that Chinese gear like the CH-4, FN-6, and other weapons have performed well under combat conditions offers a pretty good gauge for the state of Chinese military development. I think that once Chinese fighter aircraft like the J-10 or JF-17 (technically has an aerial kill against a drone) accrue real life combat experience, some of the prejudice against Chinese aerospace capabilities will subside.
manqiangrexue
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I don't think so for two reasons.
1. The prejudice is not one that is naturally arisen from observation but it is one artificially fabricated. (For example, the prejudice that East Asian athletes are poor sprinters is one made from observation.) The former prejudice can be alleviated with contradicting observation and evidence while the latter is immune. (If in the next 4 Olympic cycles, both the 100m and 200m dash finals were filled with 6 or 7 Asians with all medals staying among China/Japan/Korea, that prejudice would likely go away.) The latter is made psychologically; if you really want to believe something, you will find a way to convince yourself and the more you say it, the more it feels like truth, and it will be propagated that way. Because the West has a morbid fear of being relegated by resurgence of Chinese technology, they want to find any way of convincing themselves that Chinese technology is poor (ie. if 10 Western drones crashed, they will say it is unpredictable systems error; if 1 Chinese drone crashed, it is evidence of poor quality) and they will say that lie again and again and hear it from each other so it sounds like it's the truth. After all, China has already shown dominance or at least great competence in many key technologies and most of the super-performers in US universities at math and sciences are Chinese so what objective observation could they have used to create that prejudice? If anything, by observation, they would conclude the reverse. So this type of prejudice cannot be countered by evidence because it was not made by evidence; this type can only be unmade the way it is made, by alleviating the fear that China would overtake them. And I think the only way to do that is for China to overtake them by so much, that they give up and laugh at themselves. No joking at all.
2. Secondly, the West is not impartial to this prejudice; they are served by it and thus will not let it dissipate even for truth. The key selling point of Western goods (including military hardware) is that despite being expensive, they are perceived to be of higher quality. So long as this prejudice helps their businesses, the West will desperately want to keep it in play to protect their livelihoods and wealth. If they let it die simply because it is not true, then what business is there left to do? You're admitting to the world that you are selling comparable or inferior goods to the Chinese at higher prices; game over. In self-interest, Western countries won't even buy from each other if the prejudice against Chinese quality were to be eliminated. Thus, by any means, media, false interpretations, fabrication, etc..., they must keep this force in play. Even when Chinese drones reported 100% success by its client, Americans still said that US drones are better because the Reaper has flown over 5 million hours and Israelis said that theirs are better because "You can't shortcut 40 years into 5 years." These statements don't even make sense as testaments to capability/reliability but they still have to say something to prevent the conclusion that Chinese drones are of at least comparable quality. Just like Ford and Chevrolet can never admit that the other can make better cars no matter, the West can never admit that Chinese quality can match.surpass their own. It is a matter of survival, not honesty.
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