J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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vesicles said:
Well, Japanese products were considered inferior in quality in the 1970’s. It took them nearly 20 years to convince the West. Now “Made in Japan” is a sign of quality.

Most of the developing countries start out making inferior goods quality-wise. Because of the financial limitations, most of them start with making cheap goods. Cheap means low quality. So most of the developing countries are always associated with “inferior quality”. Most of times, it takes decades for these developing countries to shake the “poor quality” image. It was like that for the UK, the US, Germany and Japan, and now Soth Korea.

This is compounded by the fact that established (developed) nations don’t usually want to give up their position as the leaders. Emotionally and psychologically, giving up their superiority to previously inferior people is extremely difficult. This is only human nature.

Before the WWI, The US was fast moving up the economic ladder. This was equally unacceptable to the Europeans. Everything about the Yankees was laughed at, how they dressed, how they ate, how they talked, etc. the central theme? “These Yankees are uneducated and uncivilized...” “The only thing they have is money...”.

It took two world wars for Europe to finally accept the US.

I’m not saying what they are doing to China is right. I’m just saying it’s only human nature. Be patient. Every developing nation has to go through the same thing. China is going through it now. And China will get passed this.
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Japan is not threatening to them. If Japan is really independent politically and not aligned with the US and the rest of the "west", their products will still be widely considered inferior to ones that come out of western nations. In fact even given how things are for Japan today, there are still PLENTY of westerners who openly say and write stuff that decry Japanese cars using strong racial bias to support their claims despite evidence suggesting Japanese automobile engineering is FAR superior to the best of the west i.e. German when we measure like for like, dollar for dollar, pound for pound. Yet they are still made by "undesirable" folks to some of the fanboys that populate those forums. Sure there are also plenty of supporters who are neutral but can you imagine how bad the public opinion would be if Japan was not held in such high regard by the majority of westerners? We're saying this is purely because of politics and how favourably a culture portrays another. Japan is the land of high technology, anime, interesting foods, exotic asia etc etc... China is the land of dangerous commies constantly consuming fetuses while they imagine ways to destroy the livelihoods of good honest Americans. So any psychological method to neutralise this threat is useful to them and propagated. Japan and Japanese products are not a good counter example in this case.

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It’s not about seeking national approval or recognition, it’s about pointing out that so called western defence ‘experts’ are almost certain to have no more information than we do about the likes of the J20, which is very little, so the primary source of their smug pronaucements about the J20 is based on little more than their own preconceptions and prejudices.

These debates never start because someone posts a western article about how amazingballz the J20 is.

Frankingly, 99% of western military experts knows only as much about Chinese defence as what is publically available, and the 1% who might know something more shouldn’t be talking to journalists about it.

All Chinese military threads would be far cleaner if such trash articles were not brought into them in the first place.

Personally, unless a piece written by a western defence journalist has first hand accounts from export users of Chinese equipment, their piece about Chinese defence isn’t even worth my time to read.
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This defence "expert" barely knows the WS series of engines. Didn't even bother checking up correct names and designations. What do we think he even knows about the details and performance of such engines. Pathetic research. Partly why China is catching up so easily. The higher ranks of many corporations in the west are filled with absolute morons in my experience. Without the Jews and all the best minds around the world contributing to the US, they'd be about as technically advanced as Italy or another homogeneous one-dimensional European nation i.e. not very high and mighty at all. To get back on top of the world, China has its share of problems to overcome. Foreign efforts to destroy the PRC being one.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
Japanese products used to be considered poor quality by the West because they feared that Japan's economy would overtake America's. Congratulations! Japanese brands are no longer purposefully derided by the West, even though half the stuff is radioactive! The reason: Japan's economy performance is so weak, it could never be considered a threat. As a matter of fact, Japan is seen as so harmless and cute, that many countries have no problem promoting love for Japan and its culture!

Considering your history, you're the last person who should be telling other people this LOL.
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That is some reality check!
 
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manqiangrexue said:
Japanese products used to be considered poor quality by the West because they feared that Japan's economy would overtake America's. Congratulations! Japanese brands are no longer purposefully derided by the West, even though half the stuff is radioactive! The reason: Japan's economy performance is so weak, it could never be considered a threat. As a matter of fact, Japan is seen as so harmless and cute, that many countries have no problem promoting love for Japan and its culture!
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You seem to be conflating the 1960s and 70s (perceptions of poor quality) with the 1980s (perceptions of high quality and fear of economic dominance) and 1990s and beyond (ongoing perceptions of high quality while fears of economic dominance recede).

The prestige of esp. Japanese consumer electronics has declined significantly since the late 90s owing to their missing the PC- and software-driven transformation of the industry from America, and increasing pressure from below, i.e. South Korea and Taiwan offering competitive products at significantly cheaper prices.

The perceptions of the quality and desirability of Japanese products was at its peak at the same time as fears of Japanese economic dominance were at their peak (late 1970s to mid-1990s), and the cultural cachet or Japanese products (at least consumer electronics, cars have been more resilent) has declined alongside the nation's stagnation since the 1990s -- which is not to say for the same reasons.
 
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