J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[antiterror13]

It's not the first time I've seen this in such exaggerated illustrations, and therefore comes the natural question of whether it's commonplace or not.

wondering whether you have been to China?

 

[AssassinsMace]

What's with the clothless child urinating? Is this common in China?

I don't see a toilet anywhere.

 

[Quickie]

It's probably just for some artistic humor. You can even buy a baked clay version of a toddler that can do the real water fountain tricks for you (involving using both cold and hot water). This could be where the artist get the idea from.

 

[FORBIN]

Still no "Winchester" for the J-20? lots and lots of rivets,,, those wing juncture features create quite a little vortex activity all by themselves, he's slow and full slat deployment to create additional lift for maneuvering!

Really curious USA do error with F-4 without gun fixed later with a gun pod super sophisticated F-22 have one even in futur combats with normaly a short game less important remains interesting as last weapons and if the driver runs out of missiles ... so little disadvantage for J-20

 

[ougoah]

Yes J-20 without gun is a big surprise for me as well. Perhaps they will add it one day and there is enough of a space for future application with higher thrust engines. In the meantime, J-20 without a gun shows PLAAF is supremely confident of its BVR abilities and probably do not plan to ever use such an expensive asset as anything but a scout, shoot, and run type of fighter. I doubt VLO fighters are that effective at evasion. Why would the Americans put guns on both F-35 and F-22. J-20 needs a gun even more considering its current missile load is smaller than F-22.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Still no "Winchester" for the J-20? lots and lots of rivets,,, those wing juncture features create quite a little vortex activity all by themselves, he's slow and full slat deployment to create additional lift for maneuvering!

I think it is likely that they are waiting for WS-15 before they integrate a gun or maybe even a high tech equivalent. Maybe they don't think the additional weight justifies it on variant one.

 

[FORBIN]

I think it is likely that they are waiting for WS-15 before they integrate a gun or maybe even a high tech equivalent. Maybe they don't think the additional weight justifies it on variant one.

A gun is not heavy about 100 - 150 kgs + rounds maybe 200 - 300
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Also indispensable for the sky police to make warning shots against a civilian plane China had severals fighters types with enough units but normaly a new fighter as J-20 must be also capable for it make sense

 

[ougoah]

A gun is not heavy about 100 - 150 kgs + rounds maybe 200 - 300
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Also indispensable for the sky police to make warning shots against a civilian plane China had severals fighters types with enough units but normaly a new fighter as J-20 must be also capable for it make sense

One thing we know for absolute certain is that they won't be using J-20 to do those usual intercepts. There is almost no point to use a VLO platform for this kind of job when you don't need the surprise or the stealth.

 

[siegecrossbow]

A gun is not heavy about 100 - 150 kgs + rounds maybe 200 - 300
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Also indispensable for the sky police to make warning shots against a civilian plane China had severals fighters types with enough units but normaly a new fighter as J-20 must be also capable for it make sense

It's not the gun that's heavy, it is the ammunition and in the case of a stealth fighter, the mechanism used to retract the gun once it's done firing.

 

[Inst]

Well, a gun, in theory, could be loaded into the side weapons bay as a pod. It's not an optimum solution, certainly, but it saves a bit of weight.