歼-20歼击机翼展12.88米(wingspan 12.88 meter)，机高4.45米(height 4.45 meter)，空重17000公斤(empty weight 17000 kg)，发动机为涡扇-15（engine WS-15?)，最大起飞重量37000公斤(max take off weight 37000 kg)，最大飞行速度3062.7公里/小时 (max speed 3062.7 km)，最大航程6000公里(max range 6000 km)
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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歼-20歼击机翼展12.88米(wingspan 12.88 meter)，机高4.45米(height 4.45 meter)，空重17000公斤(empty weight 17000 kg)，发动机为涡扇-15（engine WS-15?)，最大起飞重量37000公斤(max take off weight 37000 kg)，最大飞行速度3062.7公里/小时 (max speed 3062.7 km)，最大航程6000公里(max range 6000 km)
Hyperwarp
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Huh? 3062.7 kmph? It would have been believable if said 2062.7 kmph (around Mach 2 @ 50,000 ft).
Quickie
Colonel
Okay, to end the discussion, following Deino advice.
No, you're the one who is wrong. I suggest you take your own advice. Your understanding of those basic stuffs is still lagging.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said it's only about wing loading - I never even mentioned that.
Both lift coefficient and wing loading plays a part in the the turning rate capability.
It's just not a belief. There're evidence both physical and from theoretical papers pointing to the J-20 having lower drag.
And you keep gripping about maximum engine power but do you know that the ultimate factor limiting the max ITR / STR is the loading factor? As an example, going beyond 9G would either black out the pilot or breaking the aircraft apart.
Okay I'm out.
We need to see it with great caution... yes can be 2062.7 kmph in this case clearly less fast than F-22, PAK FA with actual engines ofc.
it is certain he have a excellent range a CR of 1700 - 2000 km ! remains to know with what weapons load ofc A2A wepaons load allow a more big range with AAMs less heavy than A2G but even with A2G surely 1500 km.
For range max in fact ferry range with mainly FTs and no or very few weapons i use a simple method divide the range by 3 for have CR ( possibledo the opposite too less easy ) in this case max about 5500 km so 6000 a little generous.
Wingspan 12.88 meter i see out 13.5 - 13.88 m in this case clearly less
For long i see 20.3 - 20.4 m.
37 tons good.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
From Henri K blog I guess they must simulate the air combat between the 2. And now it is obvious as who has the upper hand
Squadron leader of J-11B: "In the 1: 1 fight against the J-20, some gaps between generations are insurmountable ..."
Squadron leader of J-11B: "In the 1: 1 fight against the J-20, some gaps between generations are insurmountable ..."
b787
Captain
it is for me a bit of propaganda, when i see the vortex system it generates and the steam it has above the wings i see a very week system, same was its flight demonstration in 2016, i did not see any thing impressiveFrom Henri K blog I guess they must simulate the air combat between the 2. And now it is obvious as who has the upper hand
Squadron leader of J-11B: "In the 1: 1 fight against the J-20, some gaps between generations are insurmountable ..."
look at these aircraft and the steam they generate, i will show you fighters known for being really agile a compare with J-20, i could be wrong but at least up to now nothing impressive in flight demonstration or vortex system pictures
F-22
fully covered by vapor during tight turn not visible top view
Su-57
fully covered like F-22
Su-35
Rafale
F-18
you could say it is the weather but up to now no impressive flight demostrations
here is an explanation why vapor is formed above wings
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
I couldn't care less what you said . I couldn't care less you opinion too . Let see who win in real combat we might see it soon !
Engineer
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No where as impressive as A380.
By your flawed argument, A380 would be more agile than any of the aircraft you have named. Clearly, that is not the case. In fact, an airliner on approach is in the least manoeuvrable stage of the flight.
Condensation has no correlation with an aircraft's agility. You are making up stuff as usual.
b787
Captain
how much lift do you need to lift 400 tonnes from the ground? i am sure those wing create so much lift, to lift 14 fully loaded J-20 above the ground, but of course you need your minute of fameNo where as impressive as A380.
By your flawed argument, A380 would be more agile than any of the aircraft you have named. Clearly, that is not the case. In fact, an airliner on approach is in the least manoeuvrable stage of the flight.
Condensation has no correlation with an aircraft's agility. You are making up stuff as usual.
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