J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[taxiya]

He not right understand only a part and mainly some word seems muxh disturb him ( with some others always the same... ) for some reasons...

In more my post not agressive, only a bit franckly and i put th smiley and reaction get disproportionned, stupids ! as usually !!! but i don' t do I do not do anything wrong and I only tell the truth without aggressiveness my post is correct in the rules after some are happy or unhappy it is not my problem.

It is very clear the Chinese is not the problem but goverment, officials, policy are, OPACITY.

1/ Vey few infos with China in more for the 2nd Army in the world !!!
2/ In any language even in Chinese sometimes a little more but on very rare posts on forums and some blogs i have search and i know.
We see especially as Deino have problems.
3/ Majority of experts/reliable observers are Western and understand in part the Chines don' t speak or so few
- Deino
- Henri K
- Franco Russe definitely one or the best specialist for Orbats for China ofc he had a little lexicon to to understand the essential, we exchanges infos ... saddly he left and very damage !
- i found reliable infos in French special. mag exist one personn aware about it

And mainly i have all or almost on Russian Army and i don' t speack Russian... and even before internet les difficult for have ofc i have alway majority of infos from around 40 years...end of the discussion.

Others Asian languages are difficult esp. Japanese but DOD provide all in 2 languages.

Well, I may not understand you right. Is it my fault for your broken English?

And when you went straight to call "wide range of information" being completely wrong, I did fully understand that. And I am sure you did mean that. And that is my issue with you. And rightly as you said some others, and I add quite some.

Let me tell you the "some reasons". What if I call every French news being liers regardless what they say, regardless the subject, will I disturb you? Do you have difficulties to put on others' shoes? Look from other's perspective?

 

[FORBIN]

Well, I may not understand you right. Is it my fault for your broken English?

And when you went straight to call "wide range of information" being completely wrong, I did fully understand that. And I am sure you did mean that. And that is my issue with you. And rightly as you said some others, and I add quite some.

Let me tell you the "some reasons". What if I call every French news being liers regardless what they say, regardless the subject, will I disturb you? Do you have difficulties to put on others' shoes? Look from other's perspective?

I think useless again and again argue facts are...going for true military things better and i don't suggest for have accurate infos China or you need time...

 

[taxiya]

i think useless again and again arque facts are...going for true military things better and don't suggest for have accurate infos China or you need time...

I give up with you as I totally have no idea what you are talking about, unless someone else better versed in English can help me.

One phrase I do get from you here is "accurate info". That however was never my disagreement with you. My disagreement with you was and always is "wide range infor" does not equal to "completely wrong" (that was exactly your words). You can go back a few pages to check that. Unless you acknowledge that was a mistake of your wording, I don't want to be entangled in a mess in trying to decipher your codes.

Case closed on my side.

 

[FORBIN]

For J-20 yet or now udapted

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[Deino]

 

[Blitzo]

two J-20s at Dingxin! presumably taken fairly recently, which would correspond with previous rumours that up to three J-20s from CFTE might have taken part in Red Sword exercises
via@xinfengcao

looking at photos of Dingxin from GE (2013 being the last update), it looks like the two J-20s areparked next to those three same buildings here:
The tarmac also seems to have been expanded there

 

[davidau]

re # 3825..Closer look at j-20 now serialised..78271...

what engines?

 

[Hyperwarp]

re # 3825..Closer look at j-20 now serialised..78271...

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what engines?

Oh, that question! Nobody other than the parties involved knows the answer. If you ask b787 in this forum, he believes it is the basic AL-31F (122 kN) and 117S when PLAAF acquires Su-35SK. If you ask some people at defence.pk forum they say it is a 155 kN WS-10 variant , some even claim it is the WS-15

Simple thing is, nobody outside knows. Some of us (myself included) believe it is a 140+ kN (145 kN ??) max thrust engine developed by MMPP Salut. Possibly an AL-31F-M2 variant. It is guesswork, but the reason for this is, CAC's close relationship with Salut and China has been pouring a lot of money into Salut for something like 15-years. Rumors were that high-powered PLAAF/CAC officials were visiting Salut during the time the design phase of the J-20.

 

[SteelBird]

As someone has pointed out before, the nozzles might have been covered or changed, so short answer is "we don't know"

 

[Deino]

Oh, that question! Nobody other than the parties involved knows the answer. If you ask b787 in this forum, he believes it is the basic AL-31F (122 kN) and 117S when PLAAF acquires Su-35SK. If you ask some people at defence.pk forum they say it is a 155 kN WS-10 variant , some even claim it is the WS-15 .

There's indeed a really strange dynamic at PDF ... IMO completely off any logic only in that desperate desire that China's premier fighter HAS TO BE POWERED by a Chinese engine.

Simple thing is, nobody outside knows. Some of us (myself included) believe it is a 140+ kN (145 kN ??) max thrust engine developed by MMPP Salut. Possibly an AL-31F-M2 variant. It is guesswork, but the reason for this is, CAC's close relationship with Salut and China has been pouring a lot of money into Salut for something like 15-years. Rumors were that high-powered PLAAF/CAC officials were visiting Salut during the time the design phase of the J-20.

Indeed, but there are a few hints, reports and visual details which point to one most likely version (IMO a specialised AL-31FN version) while other hint clearly against another theory (aka that strange WS-10-AL-31-hybrid). Here is my opinion on that story !

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