You're confused. TRA is not a bilateral treaty; it's a US domestic law. Interpretation of it is entirely up to the US side.
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J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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You're confused. TRA is not a bilateral treaty; it's a US domestic law. Interpretation of it is entirely up to the US side.
Ok then, a good lawyer could make a mockery of U.S. actions / inactions
Two things that you say confuse me.
1. That sovereign territory includes both mainland China and your ally in Taiwan, it is only one piece. Please read the constitutions of P.R. China (mainland) and R.O. China (Taiwan). How could you respect and destroy one same thing at the same time?Parallel universe?
2. It seems that you believe (as demonstrated here) the upgraded F-16s have good chance to counter a F-22/F-35 class fighter.
- So either, you must have been advocating the long lasting notion that Eurofighter and F-16 can stand against F-35, am I right? No need for me to dig up F-35 thread?
- Or, you regard J-20 being closer to a F-15/F-16 than F-22/F-35? (I won't argue against that, not my interest). However that would sounds like contradictory to your past opinion regarding J-20 which is that it is in the same class as the laters albeit not equal.
taxiya, this thread is about the J-20, the Taiwanese Air Force Chief stated that he had confidence that the F-16V upgrade could hold its own against the J-20......
I agree the F-16V is very capable, and has outstanding avionics, and I also agree with his statement because the United States, and other allies, would be there with the F-35 and F-22 as back-up, sooner rather than later! I also noted that the F-16V upgrade is very similar to our own F-15 upgrade avionics package.
At the same time I have stated the J-20 is a very fine airplane in the interest of honesty and giving credit where it is due, its low observability will no doubt give it an edge against most 4th gen fighter aircraft, but the F-16V upgrade is very capable, much as our F-15 upgrade will be capable.
IMHO the F-35 and F-22 will not only take out any 4 Gen ++ or 4 Gen +++, but the overall package is likely very superior to the J-20, simply because the additional time and money spent on sensor fusion, the ability to use 4 Gen ++ aircraft, even drones as "arsenal aircraft".....
I'm not putting the J-20 down, and it may be the "dogs bollocks", or "all that, and a bag of chips",,,, its very good, it just at this stage does not have the "fine tune" that will truly bring it into the F-22/F-35 league???
I could well be wrong, but that's what my info/gut are telling me now???
I am disappointed when SDFers, assume that they are much better informed than the Taiwanese Air Force Chief, had the Chinese Air Force Chief said something similar he would be "Einstein".
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It's not just SDFers, media in Taiwan are mocking him as well. People are doubting him not just because of the J-20 statement, but throughout this entire exchange with Taiwan's legislators the airforce chief & defense minister was completely clueless not only regarding the J-20 but also Taiwan's own airforce developments. In the actual exchange with the Taiwan legislator, the air force chief & defense minister not only displayed a shocking lack of understanding regarding the J-20 on several different questions, they also don't seems to understand what F-16V is exactly and thinks F-16V have nothing to do with Taiwan's F-16 upgrade program and thinks that they are getting something different instead. Their answers literally left the Taiwan legislators surprised & dumbfounded and had to correct them on multiple occasions.
good that you clarify where you put J-20 in the scale, not necessarily agreeing with your assessment, but I see your points.
Regarding Taiwan's defense minister and air chief, if you understood Chinese and watched the video that was posted by hlcc in post #3654, you wouldn't be disappointed by other SDFers. The minister was an ex officer from the military, not a layman. Regardless what you think of other SDFers' assumptions and regardless whether the Taiwan officials competence in other time, the minister and air chief did a very bad job miserably in identifying the prime fighter jets that Taiwan will soon to face. That's what brought up all these posts, defending them on this count is simply misplaced IMO. I wouldn't have extended the discussion beyond the identification matters.
Let's not move the goalposts here. Your claim was that Taiwan could not "survive" a naval blockade or some such. My response was that Taiwanese economic survival over a period of a week is irrelevant to the question of whether the Taiwanese military could withstand a mainland invasion over this same period of time. Now you're saying that port closures are irrelevant because industrialists would reopen them "within hours". That's fine, but I didn't bring up port closures or naval blockades. You did.
Basically you're saying without any evidence that the J-20 is on a similar level of ability compared to the F-16V. Essentially for no other reason than the USA is awesome and China, well, not so much. That's fine. We're all entitled to our opinions.
It is a plain fact that this AF chief doesn't know the difference between a J-20 and a J-31. We here at SDF do. That's not an assumption, that's a fact. If you can't even pass the basic first step of aircraft recognition, you fail, pure and simple. As for the Chinese AF chief, I have no doubt he recognizes the difference between an F-16 and an F-CK-1. But's that not Einsteinian, that's just job competence. Which is more than I can say for the Taiwanese AF chief.
The merchants and industrialists will look disaster in the face if the ports and air ports were to be closed and they would force the government to back down. No war will be necessary.
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Well, to be fair to the guy maybe he was a bit tired that day, or maybe in all seriousness it could be a sign of mental deficit with age.
But still, I'm sure all of our SDF members -- including those members who are detractors and nay-sayers -- would easily know the difference between J-20 and FC-31 and can differentiate between them in their sleep.
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